Agristability question

[skhadenuf]

Man there sure are alot of paybacks goin on, not much paid out to start. Talked to an adjuster the other day and his sources say the reason for the move to melville is that there are a shit load of reviews taking place tons of numbers don't match crop insurance numbers so you either gonna get raked over by cais or crop insurance cops, both programs good for shit and now gonna harrass people.
Is there any where published how much cais paid out each year and how much is now clawed back ?
Us farmers are a bunch of idiots to let this bullshit go on It's past time that more than just individuals fight for themselves, after harvest here plain and simply demand cais shut down totally fix up crop insurance clean house and get at it.

[burnt]

Scary, scary stories. We received an Agristability payment this fall which took me completely by surprise. More by its appearance in our mailbox than by its size. We deposited it knowing full well that it could be clawed back in the future. But trust me, if they do, it will make major headlines.

[Hopperbin]

Why would you be surprised you got a payment? Did you not fill out the forms?
Did your accountant not inform you?

[wd40]

Bandades all

Here's the root problem!

40 yrs ago – PRIVATE ENTERPRISE = PRICE DISCOVERY ( on both sides of the farm gate).
No safety net programs.
20 Yrs. ago – Industry leadership began talking about the “NEED” for CONSOLDATION.
CONSOLDATION began (in all of Agriculture) [MUST have been a line taught to graduate students in Ag Economics]
PRICE DISCOVERY BEGAN TO ERODE SAFETY NET – programs began showing up.
10 Yrs ago – “PRICE DISCOVERY” issues began to be discussed and debated at industry meetings.
SAFTY NET PROGRAMS – biggest beneficiary the big feedlots and packers. Both say they cannot survive without (case in point the packers last week asked the Feds for another 25M.)
TODAY: CORPORATE FACISM PRICE SUPPORT PROGRAMS = NO PRICE DISCOVERY ( on either side of the farm gate in all Ag. sectors)
PRIVATE ENTERPRISE - gone the way of the DODO bird.
Corporate control can’t sustain itself without Govt. bail outs, tax concessions, or just plain concessions.
The result, industry control is devoid of social conscience. What’s worse is that we (Canada) lose the value of “Value Added” benefits and spin offs, ship raw product, and are held hostage to foreign imports, the road that leads us to a 3rd. world country.

Private Enterprise: is defined (check out the internet) “Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy, also called free market”.

Supply and demand no longer affect the market.

Is that the picture when we look out across the farm gate?
So friends in agriculture we need to unify in one voice, aim at a future goal, and take back our industries. Our tax dollars have bailed out the packing plant industry to the place where we own the plants by default. Let’s go take possession!

[burnt]

Hopperbin - the reason for the surprise was that by our calculations, we were not in line for a payment. The payment was triggered by their strange juggling of the figures. Hence the cause for concern about a future clawback. A friend of mine received a whopping big payment one year, only to have 90% of it clawed back the following year. That kinda hurts when the money is spent and gone.

[wd40]

If you get a request for a "clawback" request an audit. That may delay things for a year and may well show them wrong. If eveeryone asked for an audit, you can imagine the clogged pipeline.

[skhadenuf]

Is there any where available the stats on payouts and what is clawed back, this is supposed to be agriSTABILITY not chaos. People are getting bills from clawbacks going on back to 2005 billed this year. Is that stability? And I will bet the clawback is based on fictitious values at best, government clawbacks always strike agriculture first. It's easy to say audit, some guys around here requested one and when cais was proved wrong they audited all years on their farm and then ended up paying more than the original bill and tied up the accountant for 2 and half years. I'm telling you guys this is a major fu%% up happenning right under our noses.

[Hopperbin]

Oh yes burnt that is the point that I missed, the accountant fees to straighten out the screw up will cost you maybe a couple grand at the least plus you must pay the money they gave you back. Sucks.
Will definately hurt during times like this. You know the one thing that accountants like the most is fudging up the Agristability, they make a killing on that, a lot of accountants need to be kicked in the balls for what they do in my opinion.

[Hopperbin]

WD what does the government do during the audit? Do they come out to meet you and the accountant and hammer things out within an hour or do they make phone tag calls that cost another few thousand dollars in accountant fees?

[burnt]

We do our own applications and with my wife being a book keeper, she is meticulous in accuracy. So it isn't a matter of anyone fudging numbers on our end, rather that the program people said that we qualified on the basis of their calculations. And THAT is the scary part.