• You will need to login or register before you can post a message. If you already have an Agriville account login by clicking the login icon on the top right corner of the page. If you are a new user you will need to Register.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Heavy Hand of the CFIA ---- Victimizes a Canadian Cattleman.

Collapse
X
Collapse
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Heavy Hand of the CFIA ---- Victimizes a Canadian Cattleman.

    Heavy Hand of the CFIA-----VICTIMIZES A CANADIAN CATTLEMAN---KEN HABERMEHL MACRORIE SASK

    Goodmorning Steve Primose CHAIR (CCIA)

    As promised from yesterday's phone call here is the followup email written in "case report format". It is written in this manner so that the ccs veterinary clinic contacts can relate to how our years of studies were presented to us during our veterinary school years.



    This email and attached pictures will also be part of my evidence as I prepare to defend my case in an upcoming tribunal hearing.



    I hadn't even got the cows in question out of the PFRA pasture and CFIA has had their Lawyers contacting me over this case.

    Already the intimidation factor-----------LAWYERING UP.





    On Tuesday Oct 22 I hauled the 29 cow-calf pairs home from the Elbow PFRA pasture. Before loading I walked throughout the cattle in their pens and took notes of ear-tag situations. Visual inspection one could see RFID "buttons" from the backs of their ears of the cows. The calves are easier to observe and there was no loss at that time. There was 3 tags that appear to be hanging loosely on calf ears at that time.



    The 29 cows were put through the chute and head-gate the next day at the home ranch and both ears were examined of each cow. Nos of holes were counted of each cow, and examination was also for 'large diameter hole size". Many pictures were taken.



    EVIDENCE FROM THE 29 COWS



    1) Pic # 1-------------2086---There was two cows with just the Male stud left in the ear. RFID ring was gone.



    2)All animals had at least 4 holes in their ears. Most animals were 3-5 year old cows.



    3)Two cows counted 8 holes in their ears----Pic 2100 shows 5 holes in rt ear and 3 holes (2 tags) in left ear.



    4)2nd Cow with 4 holes in left and 4 holes in right.



    May 26 that is all the CFIA inspector was wondering. The few that were without the RFID tag---was there a hole to show that I had attempted to tag the animal. I hope CFIA is satisfied. I will give them a full list of 29 cows, the ID and how many holes in each ear.



    5)Pic of enlarged hole and male button through.---Pic 2076



    6)Three cows had RFID tags with enlarged holes and the Male buttons Loosely in those holes. These are 4 year old-cows. How long will they last in those animals?



    Steve Primrose you sit as chair of the CCIA. You have CFIA representatives at your table. You do communicate with a head CFIA personnel a Mr. Kruger in Calgary. Remember I was just trying to be a Canadian Cow-calf producer and have worked hard in trying to do a job that the cow-calf industry would respect. I was minding my own business as a Canadian Cattleman, Cow-calf rancher. I sit on boards that promote the beef industry. What happened to me on May 26 I drove 100 miles to obtain RFID tags, because I never have carried RFID tags with me, because I habitually processed each animal the day before transit through my own chute and squeeze at the Ranch. This fine of section 176 I will not pay the $500.00 fine--$250.00 if paid within 2 weeks because I am not guilty. I am forced to spend much more that $500.00 to clear my name but I feel it is my obligation to the beef industry to draw attention and maybe force change at your level so that another canadian cattleman doesn't have to face the same ordeal as I am facing now.



    QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TO CCIA CHAIRMAN:



    1)The extreme amount of holes that are in some cows ears----they only have changed hands once as a bred heifer isn't that considered a cruelity to animals by some parties? What about the stress each time through the chute and handling those heads. No wonder cows heads flop around and are dangerous to workers.



    2)Some veterinary clinics that were selling RFID tags have quit. The margins are slim, The complaints are getting extreme and the audits and bookkeeping is getting crazy----all for whose benefit???



    3)Know the compostion of CFIA veterinarians. Many don't want to rock the boat, Many only have a year or two left and they receive full pension.

    Why is it that some CFIA veterinarians who know me as a colleague or a friend encouraged someone like me to challange a case like this. It doesn't make any reasonable or practical sense---Full traceability when the cattle do not change hands. My neighbours are and colleagues are concerned that this CCIA wants to take this traceability to higher levels yet on our cow-calf ranches-------------this is why a "HUGE STINK OVER MY CONVICTION" will keep going out through western Canada.



    4)Look at the packaging of the RIFD buttons. 25 RFID buttons with matching Male buttons. When one tags adult animals the restraint is restricted and heads are throwing around. Pins get bent and male buttons get damaged in the process. Are all Allflex male buttons compatable with the RFID buttons? I have raised that question now in community circles and in Veterinary clinics as well. I also have contacted Allflex Canada and have spoken to the technical division from Texas. Some Male buttons have different lengths---ie Angus RFID buttons, Old left over fly tag buttons. This is a general concern for many producers.



    5)Why have the inspectors and CFIA veterinarians have quickly been called BUTTON COPS or BUTTON POLICEMAN?

    Is this well spent Canadian tax payer $$$$$$$$$$$$. Is their budget for this work at this time?



    6)Tim Hymore from Bob Bjornerud's provincial office have contacted me. They are recieving concern of workers getting their hands crushed tagging adult cows and bulls at Auction Markets. Give me any cow with 8 holes in its ears---they know how to throw their heads around.



    7)Go to website www.agriville.com beef production-----Heavy hand of the CFIA or Email CFIA TAGS----Hon Gerry Ritz was questioned at a Mayerthorpe Meeting in Early October about CFIA implementation of act 176----He states that they have to stop there is no BUDGET for that work as yet.



    8)Next letter to Hon Gerry RItz Minister of Agriculuture.



    9)All practicing veterinarians ----------tell this story in all the vet clinics and communities in western Canada. Tell Cow-Calf producers if they get caught by a BUTTON COP---don't pay but take option 5 and go through the courts --------------------the max is only $500.00. What will it cost CFIA?????



    10)No wonder CFIA carries a "rotten like ?????" stentch with them wherever they go.



    11)Protection practice to cow-calf producers---carry extra buttons in pockets---rather than change, put in saddle bags on a trail drive down a public road. Don't forget to throw a couple in a trailer if the BUTTON COP shows up. I heard these comments from other producers and now see the reality of this practice.



    12)Why is it now across this province that PFRA pastures are short of cows for next year?? Producers are just getting out of the business. Too many rules. Maybe turn the PFRA pastures into recreational facilities?



    13)Considering selling our cow herd myself. Maybe apply for a job with CFIA------button-cop????





    Keeping in touch





    Victomized Canadian Cattlemen

    Dr. Ken Habermehl (Rancher)

    #2

    Comment


      #3



      Two cows counted 8 holes in their ears----Pic 2100 shows 5 holes in rt ear and 3 holes (2 tags) in left ear

      Comment


        #4

        Comment


          #5

          Comment


            #6

            Comment


              #7

              Comment


                #8
                I don't know about the rest but the ear with the 5 tags in it was clearly poorly tagged many times - put them a lot closer to the head and they won't fall out.

                Comment


                  #9
                  Hey! I didn't know you could post pictures here! How does that work?

                  Back to the topic. We replace a lot of tags every year. We've got some cows who are on their third number, and we do tag close to the ear.

                  And don't even ask about bulls! OMG. They all need new tags every year without exception. It's rare that a bull will keep his tag over the winter. Those big old heads of theirs are big enough that the bale feeders grab at the buttons when they pull their heads out. BTW, we are very good at removing twine from the bales so we can't blame twine. Retagging a cow, whether she is tossing her head or not doesn't even come close to being compared to retagging a two thousand pound bull who knows exactly what you are trying to do.

                  This is such a waste of taxpayer money. I can see an issue if those cows were being sold, but they weren't.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    We left the bar code in until this last preg testing and while doing them we checked the years of rfid tags that have come up the calf chain. There were at least a half a dozen that were gone and some that the rfid ring has separated. They are close in and were done properly by a competent tagging professional. Bulls are a disaster every year. Only half our battery is our own raising but none will have the original owners tag as retention on bulls is pathetic. There has to be a better way and someone else to pay. Not impressed that I had to replace the bar codes at my expense. I bought into the program and participated from day one yet when it needs to be changed I get to do the work and pay. Rant done, thanks for giving us a place to pontificate.

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Maybe what we need to do to push this issue is to take a little bit more of an aggressive approach. Like tell the CFIA that we are going to begin a general protest beginning at a certain date on which we all cut all of the ear tags off of the animals that we are shipping for the next month(s).

                      If hundreds of shippers - butcher cattle, cull cows, stockers and feeders all included - the CFIA will have a hard time pressing charges against everyone.

                      This country has become far too complacent about costly government intervention in the affairs of primary food producers with too much cost and too few benefits to the farmers and ranchers who do all of the work.

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Maybe there is an advantage to hairy eared cattle? We certainly don't lose 1% of the RFID type, granted the management or barcode dangle tags are poorer. I have a home reared 3 year old bull that still has both his original tags on but that's the best i've done on bulls! If I can keep a management tag on a heifer till she rears her first calf that's all I need as I know her by then and never need to read it again.
                        I don't think there is any chance this one is getting mothballed so we may as well just bite the bullet and get it done the best way we can. I would back moving to double tagging - one in each ear both of the RFID type although one could be a combined RFID/Dangle type. When they moved to double tagging in the UK it solved a lot of problems - and the cost didn't double as the companies were basically told to produce 2 tags for around the price of the one previous tag.

                        Comment


                          #13
                          We lose the odd RFID in cows, and pretty
                          well every RFID in bulls. Our cows look
                          like Christmas trees. A floppy
                          management tag (we are converting to Z
                          tags on the cows, and use them
                          exclusively on the calves as they don't
                          fall out), a steel numbered tag (like
                          the old bangs tag) that gets put in when
                          a heifer is first AIed, and RFID tag,
                          and if they don't fall out most have a
                          DNA collection tag.
                          All tags are cross referenced in the
                          computer.
                          Calves get an RFID and a Z tag.
                          I think we need to be able to rapidly
                          track disease and animal health issues,
                          and I presented on national ID (and took
                          the shots) before it ever became the
                          law. I believe in a national ID program
                          but am pretty sure it is being turned
                          180 from its original purpose and being
                          made somewhat untenable. I know food
                          safety is not an opportunity, but the
                          aspects outside of traceback are rapidly
                          becoming a high cost instead of an
                          opportunity.

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Just did 3 13 to 17 old ranch cows this morning that had lost their dangle tags and now are headed to hamburger heaven.Their heads bob better than Sugar Ray Leonards.I for one would love to watch one of these cfiaers tag one of them old girls.They would probably leave wanting danger pay.

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Minister Ritz was adamant during a Q and A
                              session in Mayerthorpe a few short weeks
                              ago that the CFIA did not have the budget
                              for Tag Cops and he was going to contact
                              them to advise them to discontinue the
                              practice immediately. I would suggest you
                              forward all your info to the Minister's
                              Ottawa office and his constituency office
                              in Manitoba. Let him see first hand what
                              his CFIA is up to.

                              Comment

                              • Reply to this Thread
                              • Return to Topic List
                              Working...