Well it's not too often you get that value of entertainment in a small Alberta town! Crowd was said to be 400 , about 10 MLAs in attendance PCs - WildRose and Hugh McDonald of the Liberals. I think it's pretty safe to say Keith handed the Gov side their ass on a plate during the debate. Morton's argument was "trust us we won't use these things against you in the way that has been suggested" and suggested that the whole thing was political, masterminded by the Wildrose. Didn't convince anyone in the audience. I may be biased but I think Keith Wilson blasted them clean out of the water and there was a very large media presence so it should get good coverage.
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I wish I could of been able to make the drive to Eckville from Saskatchewan. Had a very busy week up till today.
A movement happened in Western Canada in the last 5 years. CAPLA came from southwestern Ontario. They got MPLA organized and then SAPL organized that resulted in the SAPL/MPLA huge negotiated settlement 2007. This got the movement to Hardisty Alberta along the Enbridge LIne. CAPLA helped AAPL organize landowners along the Transcanada Line done the eastern side of Alberta. The huge success stories kept bringing more interest from landowners from all across Alberta and Saskatchewan. CAPLA also helped BC landowners organize. DEC 2008 CAPLA became CAEPLA at a meeting in London Ontario so that more issues of propety rights were taken into consideration and not just pipelines. SAPL/MPLA, AAPL,CAPLA, now CAEPLA made it very clear at every organizational meeting we are about property rights of landowners. We do not talk politics, religion or other controversial isses like the CWB. CAPLA MAGAZINES which cost huge $$$$ were written and distributed to all landowners especially targeting ALBERTA, SASKATCHEWAN and North Eastern BC. The Fall/Winter Edition of 2010 featured Keith WIlson's articles arrived to landowners a couple of months before Keith Wilson began his "TOWN HALL MEETING TOUR IN ALBERTA"
BEING INVOLVED in the Saskatchewan component of this property rights movement and the Nucleus of Saskatchewan SAPL directors have watched this whole story unfold throughout your province.
To all that watch on agriville. CAPLA/ CAEPLA does not allign themselves up with 0 political parties in any province or across Canada.
CAPLA(CAEPLA) originated in other provinces first where there is no WILD ROSE PARTY so how can any link be made to that particular party.
Alberta PC group sounds like they are still in "Damage control".
Keith Wilson was a huge contact to make
in this process. www.caepla.org features Keith Wilson Alberta Policy Chair with CAEPLA.
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"OTTAWA — Jack Layton’s NDP has bumped the Liberals out of second place nationally in public favour and the front-place Conservatives maintain a comfortable lead that could deliver them a majority government on May 2, according to results of a new poll. The nationwide survey by Ipsos Reid, conducted exclusively for Postmedia News and Global TV, reveals a historic shift in public opinion has occurred as the political parties have fought for votes in this campaign.
If an election were held now, Stephen Harper’s Conservatives would receive 43% of the vote among decided voters, up two points from two weeks ago. The New Democrats, who are on a roll after Layton put in solid performances in the two leaders debates, would receive the support of 24% of voters — up by five points.
This is the first time in 20 years that the federal NDP has been ahead of the Liberals in the polls. Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals, despite trying in this campaign to convince voters that they are the only alternative to Harper’s Tories, have instead slipped into third place. The poll found that 21% of decided voters would cast their ballot for the Liberals, down by five points.
The news is just as bleak for Gilles Duceppe’s Bloc Quebecois, which had long held a commanding lead in public opinion in Quebec. Support nationally for the separatist party rests at 6%, down three points. More significantly, the Bloc is running in second place in Quebec, at 27%, slightly behind the NDP.
The Green party, led by Elizabeth May, has 4% of national support.
Ipsos Reid president Darrell Bricker said Thursday the results of the April 18-20 poll confirm a significant shift is occurring. He said the sudden rise in national support for the New Democrats is largely thanks to growth in Quebec and in British Columbia. It’s difficult to predict how much this boost in the popular vote would translate into extra seats for Layton’s party, he said. While the NDP has political experience in B.C., it has little history of organizational strength in Quebec. “It does come down to the ground game,” said Bricker. “You have to be able to get those votes into the ballot box.”
“The real story about the NDP surge isn’t about them winning a lot more seats, but how they affect the Liberal votes and the Bloc votes.” Bricker said it’s possible that in Quebec, as the Liberals and Bloc lose votes to the NDP, the Tories could stand to benefit in tight races. As well, in the tight races that are expected to occur in B.C., the Liberals are already far behind their opponents and the question for many “soft” Liberal voters will be where they ultimately throw their support.
So what does this mean for what could happen on election night? “It doesn’t mean they’re (New Democrats) going to be ahead of the Liberals in seat counts but what it means is that there’s an extreme competition happening at the left of the political spectrum,” said Bricker. “And as long as they’re fighting each other, they’re not fighting the Tories.” Bricker said that’s good news for the Conservatives, whose support levels — particularly in key regions such as Ontario — have remained solid since the start of the race. “The Tories are coasting into election day. The only question is, if they win a majority how big is it going to be?”
A close look at the three largest regions reveals that:
In Quebec, a four-way race is developing. The NDP (28%) leads narrowly over the Bloc (27%), with the Conservatives (24%) and Liberals (20%) close behind;
In Ontario, the Conservatives (41%) maintain a strong lead over the Liberals (27%), with the NDP (22%) not far behind. The Green party stands at 6%;
In British Columbia, the Conservatives (46%) still have a strong lead over the surging NDP (32%) and the Liberals (12%) are struggling to keep their support levels higher than that of the Green party (9%).
However, the poll’s margins of error are higher regionally than they are nationally.
The poll also has significant findings about which of the leaders Canadians trust the most. When it comes to choosing one of the leaders who is best described as someone they can trust, 40% (up by seven points from two weeks ago) chose Layton. By comparison, 35% chose Harper (up one point) and just 9% believe Ignatieff is best described by this trait (down three points). Meanwhile, 6% nationally (23% in Quebec) say it’s Duceppe. Eleven per cent said they did not know who they most trust.
Bricker said Ignatieff’s inability to secure the trust of voters is helping drag down his party’s popularity. Moreover, he said the Liberals, who are running on a left-of-centre platform filled with social program promises, don’t have the trust of the voters they are seeking. “That’s the irony here. The Liberals decided to go hard on health care and Stephen Harper in their ads. But every time people see an ad like that they’re influenced to vote for the NDP because they’re more credible.” Bricker said that with just more a week before the end of the campaign, the Liberals have little opportunity to turn things around. “The problem for the Liberals now is they are fighting a two-front war. And they’re running out of racetrack.”
Still, Bricker also noted that while the current spike in NDP support is significant, the party has not done well in past campaigns in the final days. “In the last three election campaigns, they have not finished strong. They’ve always managed to fritter it away. The question is whether he (Layton) can sustain it.”
In other regions, the poll’s findings were as follows:
In Alberta, the Tories hold 72%, while the Liberals have 13%, the NDP have 11% and the Green party has 2%;
In Saskatchewan/Manitoba, the Tories are ahead at 62%, while the NDP has 20%, the Liberals have 16%, and the Green party has 2%;
In the Atlantic region, the Tories have 44%, followed by the NDP at 30%, the Liberals at 24%, and the Green party at 2%.
For its survey, Ipsos Reid conduced a telephone poll April 18-20 of a randomly selected sample of 1,000 adult Canadians. With a sample of this size, the results are considered accurate to within 3.1 percentage points, plus or minus, 19 times out of 20. The margin of error for the regional results are: B.C. (8.9%); Alberta (9.8%); Manitoba/Saskatchewan (12.2%); Ontario (4.9%); Quebec (6.2%); Atlantic Canada (12.2%).
In the survey, Canadians were asked: “Thinking of how you feel right now, if a federal election were held tomorrow which of the following parties candidates would you, yourself, be most likely to support?” They were also asked “To follow is a character trait that can be used to describe federal political leaders. Please indicate which leader is best described by the trait: someone you can trust.”
The full results are available at Ipsos.ca
WOW... is yoour faces red yet Mustard & Rider?
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If people are stupid enough to give this man a majority- then we will get the government we deserve-
If it happens we might have to start a 'resistance movement' like when France was occupied by Germany's trustworthy leader
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We all know there is a majority, with the hillbillies holdin on to their guns out west and the eastern areas where tax money was used to buy off Tony Clement and others areas with the rest of canada's money it's gonna happen. Money talks, but when the economy crashes which it will with the average familey debt and cannot pay even credit cards and then asked to pay more while the mega corps get tax breaks and bailouts, the average canadian will be standing there broke while the millionaires give themselves a bonus.
Good for you canadians, vote for these guys and then make sure to bend over for extremists, racists and big business, because they are all lined up behind the reform with their peckers out.
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Here is a blow by blow account written by Joe Anglin after last nights meeting. Apologies for the length but it supplies more detail if people are interested.
NO SALE!
P. C. Government can’t sell excuses!
On April 21st in Eckville, Minister Ted Morton and MLA Evan Berger debated property rights lawyer Keith Wilson. They debated the merits, or lack thereof, of the now controversial new laws -- commonly known as Bills 19, 24, 36, and 50.
The dispassionate 400 plus attendees that filled the hall in Eckville quietly listened to Mr. Morton and Mr. Berger’s declamations against the assertions that the Land Stewardship Act (Bill-36) harms landowners’ rights. Both claimed the intent of the legislation was to protect landowners’ rights. To illustrate their arguments, Morton and Berger projected a series of slides onto the wall titled, “Debunking 5 Myths.” The crux of their presentation can be summed up as simply a regurgitation of previous government denials. When the two MLAs finished their presentation the audience respectfully responded with a somewhat muted applause.
Keith Wilson began his presentation by respectfully disagreeing with Mr. Morton. Wilson then acknowledged that while the intent of the minister may have been admirable, the actions or outcome of passing the legislation did not match the intent. As Mr. Wilson began to explain how the legislation did not match the intent, he was heckled by Minister Dave Hancock, who happened to be seated in one of the front rows. If the crowd was dispassionate at the onset, Hancock’s hecklings sent tremors that stirred the crowd. The mood of the audience suddenly changed. It was if everyone in attendance was shaken into a state of attentiveness.
Unshaken by Hancock’s heckling, Keith Wilson being the accomplished lawyer he is, shredded Mr. Morton’s argument systematically. Piece by piece and section by section, Wilson cited case law and read out loud to the hall -- exactly what the law says and explained to the audience exactly how the law stripped Albertans of their rights.
Few in attendance remained dispassionate. Everyone could plainly see the contrast between Mr. Morton and Keith Wilson’s presentations. The presentations could not have been farther apart. While Mr. Morton remained loyal to the government’s denials; Wilson just had the audience read the section of the Act, and asked the audience to decide for themselves.
Decide for themselves they did! The tremor that Hancock’s heckling caused turned into a rumble, and when Wilson finished his presentation the hall exploded into a thundering applause and standing ovation. It was if Morton and Berger were trying to convince everyone inside the hall that the sun was shining when all, but those who suffer from delusions, could plainly see it was dark outside.
Undaunted by the audience’s sudden decision not to buy the government explanation, Morton tried to blame the Wildrose party for his failure to be convincing. The crowd grumbled, because all could see that the Wildrose party did not participate in the debate. Grasping for another excuse, Morton attacked Wildrose MLA Rob Anderson for causing the Stock Market to suddenly drop. The comment made no sense to the audience. Liberal MLA Hugh MacDonald was sitting in the audience, and I suspect if Morton had seen him too, he might have blamed MacDonald for the sun setting. However, the audience did not buy the reference to Anderson’s influence over the stock market, so the crowd began to boo! The booing grew louder when Morton ignored and refused to answer a question on Bill 50. It is safe to say the booing and heckling was not limited or mute. It was extremely loud and abundantly clear, and it was directed right at Mr. Morton and the P.C. government!
Morton came to Eckville to sell the government’s excuses in an effort to justify the ill-conceived pieces of legislation, but there were no buyers and he couldn’t give the excuses away!
What can Morton do now? Maybe – just maybe, Morton could solicit the help of Wildrose MLA Rob Anderson. Surely anyone who is reputed to have the power to move the stock market must be able to convince the public that their rights are better protected if we just remove them altogether.
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