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    #37
    Interesting some of the most intuitive comments about the cwb have come from this cattle forum.

    It really is quite simple, in the end when looking at the world price offered for wheat and what farmers are getting through the cwb, the value of the added expense in administration etc. simply was not apparent when considering all the hastle to get your money. Delivery periods were and are terrible. If the board was getting a premium for us they had a very poor way of showing clearly examples of this.

    On the other side of the coin those that are saying there is going to be this big boom for farmers in terms of wheat and barley prices, that is not gonna happen either. The cwb supporters are right in that the multinationals will see to it that they get every nickel of the pie in terms of grain price, that is their job. The cwb as it was working was not addressing the problem of getting more money for us from the value chain. So at least now we have the choice of marketing where and when we want, and know better how much and when we can get our money.

    I understand that some of the cwbers are using this as a stand against the multinationals taking too much out of the price we recieve. The idea that we are not getting enough price for what we grow is correct, and I support that part of their view, but the cwb has shown that as it is, it is not the tool that will correct this, and really only adds admin costs and hastle.

    The conservatives are not doing this for farmers, they are doing this for the businesses up the value line to have easier access to our grain. That is good for local growers saving some freight and the admin cost of the former cwb but that will be it for benefit farmers. Yes some local jobs at the pasta plant etc.

    The cwb issue is emberrassing that it has taken this long and this much division amongst us farmers to get to this point. To me it was a deliberate plan by both the leaders of the cwb and the conservative gov to have this hatred develop to further and back their own agendas. Us farmers are just pawns for both sides the ironic part is neither the gov or the cwb leaders are doing this for us but rather their own interests.

    The cwb issue has been a smoke screen, 2 elections federal and provincial and the real problems us farmers are facing have not been discussed at all.

    When will us farmers realize that we have a common interest and that it is the goal of those up the chain to have us seperated so they can pick or product cheaper?

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      #38
      From someone on the outside with not a lot of in depth knowledge and maybe only general comments to offer; I would like to say thanks to riders2010 for the enlightening post.

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        #39
        I second that. HT

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          #40
          Third it.

          The ball has been dropped in so many places, it's hard to count. I think history will look back and conclude that it didn't have to happen, and things could have been handled much better than they have been.

          For one thing, those at the CWB did not take the initiative to explain themselves, their operations, and their results, to the wheat producers. When people aren't told what's going on, they will assume the worst.

          Also, when others are opposed, they will push all the buttons they can to make sure everyone assumes the worst, so they can fulfill their own agendas.

          However, that being said, at least with the CWB, if someone really really wanted it to work better for farmers, they had the option to run for director, and those who did run deserve to be commended for it.

          If someone really really wants Cargill to work better for farmers, they're SOL.

          I agree that this whole debate has been yet another prime example of the "divide and conquer" strategy in motion. It's all to familiar, and it just keeps on working.

          When will we wake up and smell the coffee? What's it going to take?

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            #41
            Not to make too fine a point but it doesn't surprise me that you have been to a communist country GF. But I am wondering why you didn't stay there??

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              #42
              Nothing wrong with travelling in my book HT - it broadens the mind. Gives some perspective that you don't get by living in Alberta all your life. Truth is most of you guys throwing about the communist socialist/marxist tags in relation to the CWB or the NFU don't have a clue what you are talking about, not a clue.
              p.s. you'd better get after Randy now seeing as how he's going to be doing business with communists - you do know that China is a communist country don't you? They seem to be quite successful at global trade - how could that be? they're communist and we all know communists can't be successful in business. Any ideas HT?

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                #43
                They say the sign at the Beijing airport says "One country - Two systems". Everything is clean cause everything now has value. I'll let ya know when I get back.

                Went to Cuba once and was impressed. Poor people still had decent clothes and did not beg for money, just tried to sell you cigars. Food was awesome and all organic.

                Still like that freedom thing though...

                The Chairman of ABP once called us socialists at an AGM. At the time, Cargill had just recieved their cheque from the governmnet to support all of their losses due to BSE>>>>LOL

                All about balance and it always makes it's way back to the middle. Remember the Roman Empire... Kinda looked like the Bush Glory era in the good old USA.
                Hail George but what the hell is Hu Jintao up to....

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                  #44
                  I don't know what he's up to Randy - I was surprised his immigration department issued you a visa too lol

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                    #45
                    You did get a visa didn't you Randy?

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                      #46
                      GF I notice you didn't answer my question but vented your usual disregard for any opinion contrary to your own. FWIW one of my granddads homesteaded in this country a hundred and some years ago hoping for a socialist paradise. God bless him but I didn't inherit that attitude. Must have took after my other grandad and two great-grandads who also homesteaded but had different politics. I know that progress is driven by malcontents, so carry on bravely. I keep thinking that not all progress is forward. HT

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                        #47
                        HT, I answered your question maybe you didn't understand. I was on holiday - travelling. I have no interest in living in a communist country because I am not a communist and do not hold communist beliefs.
                        You are one to talk about not answering questions - here are the ones you have avoided on this thread:

                        "I for one would certainly consider being involved with a single desk selling organisation for beef however. Look at the results achieved by the Northwest Cattlemans Alliance and tell me why it wouldn't be a good idea?"

                        "So is it only communism that doesn't work HT? How well is capitalism working at the moment?"

                        "Have you ever been to a communist country HT?"

                        "lets hear your experience that makes you an expert on the flaws of communism."

                        "you do know that China is a communist country don't you? They seem to be quite successful at global trade - how could that be? they're communist and we all know communists can't be successful in business. Any ideas HT?"

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