What are your thought on this?

[15444]

Per, I don't follow the Alberta regs closely. Being that your province is regarded to be the last bastion of capitalism in this country, I can't see it being worse than the regs in the rest of the country. If it is so bad, I guess its a question of how much freedom people are willing to give up.

The way you guys talk up and down about ALUS, I'm surprised there isn't a fund started to assassinate that premier of yours and maybe a few cabinet ministers. But I guess it's not that bad. It's blatantly obvious that the rest of the province doesn't really see it being a concern. So what makes you think its worth paying for?

[ASRG]

Horse: I have never owned a grazing lease.

A long time ago the courts decided a leasee owns an interest in real property? I don't believe any government should be able to just take real property without compensation or deny access to the courts, however that is what the Land Stewardship Act (Bill 36) proposes.

If we condone the taking of real property(the leasee's interest), how can we protest when they come for our "fee simple" interest in private property? Today we let the Crown steal one guys property rights....tomorrow they come for ours!

I don't see why anyone can't get that?

Whenever any government puts restrictions on your land, they are diminishing your property rights....restricting what you can do with your property is a partial taking of your property? You should be compensated for that?

However this was not the point I was trying to make....the point was: should I be compensated for providing ecological benifits for the public good? Maybe not if I do it of my own free will.....but what about if I am forced to provide the benifit for free through legislation? Again that is what the Land Stewardship Act is proposing? Should I be compensated?

If I have a section of bush that provides habitat for all kinds of wildlife, should I be able to brush it, break it, and grow canola? What if the government says no we want to preserve that land for wildlife.....should I be compensated or am I forced to leave it in bush for the "public good"?

[SASKFARMER3]

Hopper I think my one neighbor is going to
get a surprise come fall. Yes he has some
Cash for his troubles, I would have waited
on buying the Lake Front Cabin "wink
wink".
I dont trust these new so called
imigrants. Just like the Scams happening
in REgina where one family can bring in 20
plus then all of a sudden their on way to
toronto.

[SASKFARMER3]

http://seekingalpha.com/article/540891-
resilient-recessionary-hedge-18-companies-
with-large-farmland-holdings

[per]

15444, no one here has any appetite for a non democratic solution. Interesting you mention the democratic process though. You make the assumption that those of us on this side of the argument are Wildrose supporters so let's look at the numbers. 34% voted WR, 44% PC. The Libs had 90,000 less votes this time than the last election. Did they not vote? Of course they did, they voted for the new close to liberals, the PC's. If they hadn't, the numbers would have been the other way around. They voted strategically for status quo (a Redford style of status). Why? This might explain it.

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh ,

had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
...
form of government.

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can

vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the

most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally

collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has

been about 200 years.


None of that means we are not correct in our vocalisations. It just shows what we are up against.

[smcgrath76]

15444 - I am not sure what the provincial government has to do with ALUS? We are part of an ALUS (Alternative
Land Use Services) pilot project that is definitely not government supported, other than contributions from
our local County. Control is local and projects are approved through a local board made of expertise and
local producers.
The whole issue of EG&S and finding/developing a marketplace is basically a proactive race against costly
regulation as I see it.
As far as Crown Leases and access to Cows and Fish, etc. We do a lot of work with many of these groups
including CnF, PFRA, etc. and all of it is pretty well all done on privately owned or even rented land. As an
example, I am sure if you contact CnF or DU or Delta Waterfowl or others with a positive idea they will either
work with you or help you out in some way. I know all the environmental agencies/groups are dealing with
limited resources so a group approach is even better (you and several neighbours getting together to develop
projects in an area. I know these groups work on a variety of projects ranging from range assessment to
community education projects. A list of groups willing to work with producers (and actively seeking engaged
interaction) would fill another post. I think the first step in the EG&S challenge is being willing to
engage.

[15444]

Sean, I am just assuming that the province is involved with it. I don't have time to keep up to date with regulations in other provinces. All I am drawing upon is the 'Coles-Notes' version I read on here.

[per]

15444 I thought maybe you had a Freudian acronym slip and were referring to ALSA not ALUS. The Internet is a grand tool and a great place to get you philosophy out but further research into some of the Cole's version needs to happen sometimes. And yes RSL I spent a considerable amount of effort looking into ALUS because of you. That goes to your point that we need to engage in the conversation and by you bringing this forward many have had a look at it. That is a good thing for sure.

[Horse]

ASRG Its not that I have a problem with lease holders its the fact I help pay those fees because the current fee schedule dosent even pay the paperwork.PrivaTE LEASE $1 PER DAY CROWN LEASE $.7CENTS PER DAY dosnt seem quite right does it. Surly the govmt could get a better price for said land. After all it still belongs to the public.
Hell lets put her up for open bids every term(ten yrs)

[ASRG]

Horse: As I stated earlier I don't own any grazing leases.
I guess the question is, would I like Encana or some other multi national to own that lease, rather than a farmer or rancher?

Uh..........no! Why do you want to side with that kind of scum? They would **** the hell out of the land because, quite frankly they just don't care one whit (sp?).......other than the bottom line!
How about someone who actually cares about the land?
Why are you so jealous because someone who might actually care about the land, might get a few extra bucks?
Instead of being so concerned if your neighbor is getting a pittance you should be concerned if a bunch of foreign scumbags are getting BILLIONS?