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    #16
    I'm not a stick in the mud ASRG, I like doing lots of
    crazy stuff that other folks haven't tried. But I try to
    really think through all the details of any system
    before trying it. Sometimes the early adaptors of new
    systems are just followers of fashion and haven't
    thought it through themselves.
    Feeding a cow enough to milk for her calf after she
    has been calved 6-7 months is a very inefficient way
    to feed the calf. Especially given the cow doesn't need
    that much nutrition for herself at that stage of
    gestation. If it suits the other things going on in your
    life it is certainly a labor saver depending what you
    plan to do with the calves eventually. I need mine to
    be growing faster going into winter than I can rely on
    them being if they were left on the cow given my feed
    resources. I had a pneumonia outbreak last winter but
    in the previous 5 years probably didn't have 1% of
    calves suffer any ill effects of weaning.

    I'm reminded of one "early adaptor" who moved from
    traditional winter calving to late spring to reduce cow
    maintenance costs, followed by starting to swath
    graze, followed by leaving the calves on the cows on
    the swaths, followed by starting to supplement the
    pairs with pellets - on the snow, on the swaths
    because the swaths were't high enough quality.
    Followed by selling the cowherd.

    At some point along the line the he seemed to forget
    the original intent was to reduce winter maintenance
    costs of the herd. He finished up growing cereals to
    swath graze supplemented with pellets in the snow to
    allow him to have his cows milking in the dead of
    winter. I think it was ultimately the wastage he got
    with the pellets that turned him off the system and
    the cows.

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      #17
      TNT: You are a big time operator. I am just a little guy. With those numbers you can pretty well do it how ever you want. Good for you.
      I'll just have to do it my way.

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        #18
        grassfarmer: I know you are an innovative guy and I know you do what works for you. I truly enjoy your outlook on raising cattle.
        At the end of the day we all go into the dirt and no one will care in twenty years. We need to enjoy our lives and live it how we see fit.

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          #19
          ASRG... could not agree with you more on the late weaning... we fell into it by accident... we had good quality 2nd cut hay off the pastures we grazed in June and felt it woudl be a waste bale grazing dry cows... We wanted to go on a family vacation over Christmas and wanted to minimize the work load and the issues that could arise from having them look after weaned calves... so we left them on till the end of January... It was working so good we left them on another month and then finally got around to splitting them off the cows mid March because heifers began cycling and all the bulls were still bulls. The calves grew better on the cows, it reduced our work load, we had healthier calves and we made the best use of the good quality feed... What we went into by accident will now be a conscious management practice around here... WE will have over 500 cows this winter that will be packing calves... I really think that cows shoudl have to work more than 7 months a year and they are cheaper and usually better hired hands than you can hire. You do need to have the right type of cows and I don't quite think that I will leave the calves on the 1sdt calf heifer till Match but mature cows for sure. Below is the link to a video we made and shared with our bull customers to prove the point. Maybe Kato can imbed it
          http://www.youtube.com/user/spiritviewranch99?feature=guide

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            #20
            I'll try.

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              #21
              What is the opportunity cost you are giving up of
              good second cut hay this year given the mess in the
              US with $200/ton for regular hay not that far over the
              line?
              A colder more traditional winter might make it a
              tougher go too. Not saying you are wrong - after all
              my saying we ran a few fall calvers got this discussion
              started. I always like to look at both sides of
              everything though.

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                #22
                Thanks Kato... all the hay we can get up here for 3 cents per lb delivered... I don't even think that a guy needs 2nd cut... good quality 1st cut will work too... We have selected for very easy doing cows over the years and have not focused on milk production... if certain cows get thin pull them or wean the pair... but for the sake of a few cows you don't need to wean the whole herd.. our cows start calving plus minus 1st of May...

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