Property rights - here we go aaaagain

[Horse]

The canola conection is I grewq it must be mine but I cant do as I please with it , so ,so much for property rites.
What would be wrong with the gov being responsible for a change, the money dosent have to be pissed away, besides does it matter if it is gov or welfare cowboys pissins it up . The fact still remains if it was only grass there would be a lot less cows out there so theroreticaly the market would be stronger so we would all benifit , that is if the free market does exist.Lastly the battle never was fought , but the lease holders are bound to loose just when is the question some day the media will pick up on the $100mill that belongs to the tax payer and you know what will hapen then so far the ABP has done a good job or deflecting public intrest with thier Enviromental stewardshit bullshit I wonder if they ever gave that to anyone not a lease holder I think not, who has the money to be the good stewart unless you get mega bucks free. We mostly all do a fair to good job of stewarding our land but a few $100thou would make it a lot easer.

[Happytrails]

This topic of this thread was lost after the oil revenue hot button issue galloped in. Bill 202 is not about surface lease revenues from grazing leases. It is about wildlife habitat assessments being used as an excuse not to renew lease dispositions. I ask again, what are they going to do with the land if they don't lease it out? WD40 speculated that they would repeat the disasters at Yellowstone. We have to keep preaching that the health of the land is best served by stewards who have a property interest (deeded or lease) in it. There are endless examples of environmental degradation under government management.

PS The $100 M oil revenue from grazing leases club is pretty exclusive. Don't paint the rest of us with the same brush. HT

[samsdad]

For what it's worth, this article appeared
on the Medicine Hat News website this
morning (23 Aug 2012):

http://www.medicinehatnews.com/front-page-
news/bill-202s-sponsor-defends-wording-
amidst-backlash-08232012.html

[Horse]

Sounds like ASRG was jusat trying to stir the pot there dont seem to be anything in there to get excited about.
Leaseholders ass ???? why would they need one are they trying hard to protect what they realize they have no claim to.
Yes not all leases have oil revenue but you all have veeeery cheap rent. Why dont you stand up and say that is wrong or are you waiting to get yours.

[wilagro]

Canadian farmers have been laying back and taking it for years...now all of the sudden they want to actively participate...I mean reciprocate. Who'd a thunk it? More power to 'em as long as they don't get Royally screwed in the process.

[ASRG]

Horse: Actually you were stirring the pot with your ongoing hate for grazing leaseholders? I was trying to point out the further erosion of private property rights.

[Happytrails]

ASRG good on you for putting this forward. And for taking heat from a horses__.

The sponsor of the bill says he didn't understand what it meant. Where have we heard that before? We are under attack from well organized groups who are directing the PC government's agenda, sometimes without the knowledge of most govt MLA's.

Oh and the other end of the horse could have used his head and probably would have bought a lease like almost all leaseholders did. And spread his manure on his own place.

[Horse]

Almost all leases we free not purchased until they got the idea, same as marketing boards to add the cost to the product and clain a windfall.

[ASRG]

Horse: One could argue that homesteads were basically free and CPR land was fairly cheap?
For instance my great grandfather bought 320 acres from the CPR for $3/acre. Today that 320 acres is worth $2 million?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but basically the leaseholder gets "loss of use" for land taken for oil leases? I don't think they get any adverse affect?

I really don't know if grazing fees are too low? I assume they are basically negotiated between the leasee and the leasor? If the leasor (government) isn't getting enough you should lobby your MLA?

Personally I think these guys are are a pretty cheap solution to managing our public lands. Would you rather have foreign oil companies managing those lands?