Debate on XL

[kato]

Is on CTV news network right now. 1:25 pm.

Interesting stuff.

[kato]

It's done now. Mr. Ritz did not come out looking so good in the commentaries that came afterward.

[ALLFARMER]

Now there's gunna be a emergency debate in
Parliament uggg

Sounds also like CFIA not happy .....XL not
disclosing too their liking.

Let this go away!!!

[kato]

Here's the link to the emergency debate written up in Hansard.. You'll find it about 2/3 of the way down the page.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=1&D ocId=5738392#Int-7704428

[kato]

Tested the link. It actually takes you to the right place. Go figure...

[grassfarmer]

Very informative - I was impressed by the knowledge
and information the opposition MPs showed in
challenging the Government. Particularly enlightening
was the blow by blow summary of the events by
Malcolm Allen at 2020 - 2035 in the notes.

[Burbert]

In future, never ever, ever knowingly
buy any product from XL. This will
teach them a lesson. Ya can't hide from
the consumer. XL kin eat their own sh t
from now on, as far as our family is
concerned. Ask your butcher, or slimey
retail meat salesperson, manager, where
the hell they get their over priced,
dirty beef from, then buy based on what
they spew out at ya. Its yer money, and
yer family that is being fed this sh t.
As far as gobermond and CFIA, theys have
no, no, no, credibility whatsoever,
since this scandal broke. Cargill meat
all the way from now on, er the local
yokel mom and pop shop that live in our
community. Screw the chain store
slop.....

[cpallett]

"On September 13, the CFIA removed XL Foods from the list of establishments eligible to export to the U.S. What happened to us? If the stuff was not good enough to send to the U.S., why was it good enough for Canadians?"
(2025 - 3rd paragraph)

Now that is one #$%^ of a good question.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Thanks Kato

[littledoggie]

Whatever happened to labelling? Maple Leaf had a labelled product to defend.
XL doesn't - therein lies the problem.
No wonder we haven't heard from them - they don't have a label to defend.

[ag-boy]

yes this is a huge problem with our beef!
never heard direct from N brott yet
me be when the plant is asking for a bailout!
hope the inspectors take a good look at Catgill to !
let us us not fotget all those small outdated kilplants in the country.
so what how many did get sick of E-coli
many die every day of smoking , overweight , alcohol and drugs !!!!
Ag minister did finaly inspect the plant two weeks later.
he made the news for the plant and said it is their problem
never heard from XL OWNERS
hope cleaning up and inspection round the clock will make it possible to get back on trak eating ALBERTA BEEF SOLD IN CANADA
we lost confidence again in our government special our ag MINISTER MR RITZ

[kato]

They're starting to interview employees now. Interesting stuff coming out of there. What they're saying is production is the primary objective, and anything that slows it down is absolutely not wanted. That includes little details like sterilizing knives, slowing down the line if there's a problem, or taking the time it takes to clean thoroughly.

It's a culture of "put 'em through and make some money, and don't let anything get in the way".

Well, things are getting in they way now, aren't they???

[ASRG]

The packing industry claims there is a very thin margin in the business....something like 1%?
I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is, then yes production has to be paramount or they are out of business.
Does XL run the line speed faster than other packers? Does the CFIA have one set of rules for XL and another for Cargill or other federal packers?
The smaller provincial packers charge a pretty high price for custom kill....if the big plants had those kind of costs they would be broke.
If XL was breaking all the rules why didn't the CFIA shut them down?

A corporations job is to maximize profits for the shareholders/owners....a regulators job is to make sure all the rules are followed.

Who wasn't doing their job? In my mind CFIA dropped the ball.

[riders2010]

So if someone is pointing a gun at a teller robbing a bank, the police outside have to request a letter from the robber stating what exactly they are doing in the bank? Is that the police fault or the idiot that made the rule they have to request the letter? Ridiculous. Not defending cfia because I think there is going to be a whole lot more come of this.

What is to say this is not happenning at other plants?

[ASRG]

rider: You might be completely right. Maybe the CFIA was just following the rules as laid out by the government?
At the end of the day the buck has to stop somewhere.....and that would be on the desk of the Agriculture Minister?
However, if you listen to Gerry Ritz in question period, or in his so called press conference, he claims the CFIA is basically an independent professional outfit that calls all the shots!
I suspect if the CFIA had enforced all the rules to the exact letter, Ritz would have got a call from the boys at XL....and he would have been on the horn to the CFIA reading them the riot act to ease up!
When corporations and politicians get into bed with each other....it usually doesn't turn out well for the public!

[wmoebis]

If rotten smells coming out of drains
and plugged nozzles on wash hoses are
missed, no wonder they can't detect
bacteria's.

I wonder what training the plant
inspectors have? Are they required to
have the same training as CFIA
inspectors since they are doing their
job? How many planet employee inspectors
are on staff doing the job of 46 CFIA
inspectors?