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[Braveheart]

Happy to hear you're done SK3, and kept safe and sane doing it.

Yes, keep posting on the latest shitstorm. It makes my shitstorms seem less . . . dark?

[grassfarmer]

Thats the thing perfeco, there is no enforcement of the PID numbers so why worry about it? I've never used it either for cattle.

I did have to use it recently on some hogs I was getting butchered. The inspector at the plant was insisting that they come in with an Alberta Pork manifest rather than a regular manifest and that required the PID number. I suspect it's Alberta Pork forcing this issue rather than CFIA - trying to squeeze out us small guys with a few healthy, happy outdoor hogs.

[15444]

In Ontario, the government tied the need for a PID to both the the wildlife kill compensation program, as well as any program brought through the Growing Forward policy agenda. Will pretty much drag every producer into getting a PID. For all intensive purposes, it is completely useless.

[Happytrails]

Re 15444 " it is completely useless" That is the point of this post. What is wrong with a land location? It is meaningful to everyone.

[15444]

HT, it means nothing other than to those that created it. Unlike the Dominion survey system.

[SASKFARMER3]

Since Sunday we have been at a neighbours getting his last 1000 acres done! Never leave a fellow farmer behind!

[grassfarmer]

Really I think this is much ado about nothing. Does it really matter if they use a Legal Land Description, PID #, your ranch name, your mailing address as an identifier? Doesn't to me.

We had a system in Scotland that was introduced with the brucellosis eradication program in the 1940s I think. Our "herd" number was K1462 - K being for Kirkcudbrightshire the county we lived in, 1462 our number within that. That was our 'ID" for 50 years, it went on one side of our metal ear tags with the animal individual number on the other. We had herd of origin traceability without any paperwork or computers. Worked fine until the Euro bureaucrats decided we needed a different "holding" number. So we used it instead, the sun still came up in the morning.

[Happytrails]

GF, apparently some of us accept a change from meaningful to meaningless more easily than others. The part that sticks with me is that we are informed that our ID # is "xyz" and then the same authority asks "what is your ID #"? The gave us the number so they should know it. Why do they have to ask us? Don't they have office staff that could look it up?

[grassfarmer]

On a similar theme HT as I know you are a big supporter of LIS maybe you could explain the logic here.
Culled a cow a few weeks ago, sent her to auction but she was a branded cow I'd bought in 2005. I didn't have a bill of sale for her as our auction was in the habit of returning bills of sale after we'd shown them to them to release the brand hold, then they suddenly quit returning them so I lost my original bill of sale.
So I had to call the auction mart who I bought it from, get them to dig back to their 2005 records then email the bill of sale to the auction I was selling at. Neither auction had time to deal with this as they are busy in the fall run so I had to wait a while to get my cheque.

Two questions - since LIS get paid to brand inspect why don't they have the info? Why should auction marts be expected to do/retain the paperwork for LIS for ever more?

Second question was remember the fuss made about any moves to reading electronic tags at auction level not "slowing commerce"? Does this not apply to LIS and their practices?

[Happytrails]

I don't know if it is right but I feel good after delivering cattle that were counted and brand inspected by a live person.

As far as the cow goes, your problem was that you didn't put your brand on her. When you bought her LIS did their job which was to verify that she had the brand on the manifest. After the sale she is your responsibility which is to either put your brand on her or retain the bill of sale.

Regarding LIS hindering commerce I think that their inspections are the least that needs to be done to verify counts and identify cattle being sold. Cattle people are generally very honest but an independent third party monitor is good insurance IMO.