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    #11
    Allfarmer you had some interesting quotes in your
    posts that I'd like to give my opinion on:

    "....I guess it's the angus beef"
    If you believe that you are victim of the biggest
    marketing campaign in the history of the red meat
    industry. The Angus breed is so generic that the
    name in association with quality meat means nothing.
    You might get a great Angus steak or you might get a
    Charolais one seeing how most Angus breeder are
    selecting for Charolais not Angus characteristics. Do
    you notice that Angus with marbling characteristics
    are the in demand thing now? When they lost
    marbling in pursuit of Charolais growth
    characteristics we are expected to believe that didn't
    affect meat quality? Most of these Angus programs
    are based on only hide color anyway with no genetic
    ancestry correlation. So it depends more on how it
    was raised than what the pedigree says - when there
    is no longer a breed type associated with the breed
    named on the said certificate.

    "We had a steer here that was born and finished
    here completely on grass....zero grain.
    This stuff is at least 40 percent better
    than store bought beef."
    Thats quite a recommendation for grass-fed beef. I'm
    happy you enjoyed it although I find its hard to be
    subjective when comparing my own product to
    others. I use an independent taste tester for
    comparison purposes.

    "They feed a bit of grain 2 months prior to
    butchering to add flavor."
    This comment you included about a fellow ranchers
    product rather contradicts your own findings on
    grass-fed. Grain adds flavour? really? I thought grain
    taste was the taste of bland - the taste of store
    bought chicken, pork or beef. Where good grass-fed
    beef is different is that it does have taste reflecting a
    diverse diet of different types of vegetation. Grain fed
    beef is mono-culture barley and barley silage flavour.

    Now some will say they don't like the taste of grass-
    fed and find it gamey - that is maybe true of poorly
    raised grass-fed of which there is plenty around but
    it is not true of the good stuff. To produce a quality
    grass-fed product the grass skills are more important
    than the genetics in my opinion. My proof of that
    would be a dairy farmer I know with exceptional grass
    skills and knowledge. I've tasted beef off a 2 year
    open holstein heifer he raised and it's about the
    closest thing I've tasted to my own product.
    Considerably better than some of the branded Angus
    beef I've tasted over the years both here and abroad.
    You have got to understand the lignification process
    and the energy and protein content of forages and
    how to manipulate them through grazing
    management before you can produce good grass-fed
    beef and these skills are severely lacking in AB in my
    experience.

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      #12
      Ya GF we Albertans don't know sh** about grass. Guess we got 40% of the Canadian cow herd by accident.

      Geez I'm grumpy tonight.

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        #13
        You said it - I guess that's why we aren't fattening
        40% of the cattle on grass - in fact we aren't fattening
        0.4% of the cattle on grass. Might be better off if we
        did.

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          #14
          I think based on our experiece there is a significant
          difference between grass fed and grass finished
          beef. And while I know many fanastic graziers in
          Alberta, I would say that there are very few as a
          percentage of the overall population.
          The knowledge may be there, but very few are
          willing to do the application (that does not
          neccesarily mean high intensity rotations either). I
          think there is easily potential to double production
          from the same pasture base with just small
          management changes.
          I think the grass management side is huge in grass
          finished beef.

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            #15
            Difference how Sean? do you mean in the end product
            and if so what is your definition of grass fed versus
            grass finished?

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              #16
              GF - there is beef sold as grass fed that
              has not been raised on high quality
              forage, and may be extremely lean due to
              diet rather than genetics (eg: skinny
              rather than lean)
              In my mind grass finished beef differs in
              that it is raised on a high quality forage
              diet and the animal has adequate condition
              at harvest.

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                #17
                Sean there is a lot of grain fed beef currently being
                sold as grass-fed too. When you see Alberta grass-
                fed beef offered year round its time to get suspicious.
                Some of the highest profile, biggest turnover
                operators are the worst. I see a lot of similarity to the
                purebred cattle business - some guys are only in it
                for the money and will cheat, lie and misrepresent
                their product to get where they want to go.
                Definitely buyer beware in the grass-fed beef
                business.

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                  #18
                  Sean and GF you are right to note the difference between grass fed and grass finished beef. 60 years ago almost all beef was grass finished. But those steers were 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old. That had more to do with the climate than grass management. Its a little tough to keep them on fresh greenery year round with a 120 day frost free growing season. My friend in New Zealand is finishing beef on grass at under 24 months but they have irrigation and a 220 day growing season.

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                    #19
                    Only a 220 day growing season? that must be South
                    Island is it?

                    In the parklands here we have an excellent 150 day
                    growing and finishing season each summer. Of
                    course we will never have them eating grass 365 days
                    a year in this climate but this powerful summer
                    grazing period in conjunction with the spring calving
                    most people do lends itself to fattening cattle off
                    grass at around 18 months. Not too difficult to take a
                    weaned calf through his first winter at 1.5-1.6lbs/day
                    gain then get 2lb a day gain through the summer
                    fattening period.

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                      #20
                      Discussing this topic on another forum too and someone posted this link today from the US
                      www.agcentre.com/newcattlereport.aspx
                      scroll down to the steak pictures which they claim "any knowledge person could identify as grain fed because of the marbling" but was being passed off as grassfed.
                      I posted this picture of one of our steaks off a 17 month grass-fed Luing x steer by way of reply.
                      <a href="http://s481.photobucket.com/albums/rr175/ieaitken/?action=view&current=DSCF2270_zpse0cb6756. jpg" target="_blank"></a>

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