Tax Excempt Fuel Use

[ASRG]

A local politician tells me the "Tax Excempt Fuel Allowance" (TEFU) of 7 cents/liter will probably disappear in the March 7th Alberta budget. He further says there will be changes coming to Alberta crop insurance, perhaps to bring costs/payoouts more in line with Sask crop insurance.
The elimination of the TEFU will raise fuel costs for farmers, road construction, oil companies, and municipal governments. Eliminating the TEFU will save the province $29 million.

[Horse]

29 mill thats probably enough to cover Alice in wonderlands travel expences.
Do you supose the welfare cowboys will get a free pass again, dam someone sure caught someone in the sheep pen or something real bad to keep getting the plum of crown leases.

[ASRG]

Not sure how you would change the Crown Grazing leases? I hope you aren't suggesting cancelling them, because that can lead to cancelling land titles? Both are real property.
Maybe you'd just like to jack the prices up to the point nobody would want them? Then they could be sold to developers so we could get a million "ranchettes" or something?
Or maybe you don't like the leassees getting paid for loss of use from oil leases? Maybe you'd rather see Redford and her gang collecting that money and passing out more bonuses to the senior bureaucrats and pissing it away on fancy junkets?
There are always lots of Crown grazing leases for sale. Get out your check book and join the leasure crowd.

[ALLFARMER]

Better fill my tanks.

[gaucho]

Horse I am a bit sick of hearing about how we have a great thing... I paid $280,000 for 4800 of grazing lease.... this was to buy the improvements... Yes it was cheaper than buying deeded for the number of cattle that it will run however working out the numbers of paying the fees and debt service for the loan it works out to $15-$18 / AUM without our management time. Quite your whining and get off your ass and buy some like ASRG says if you think its such a great deal... In the end we don't own it and have to deal with all the hunters and restrictions. I get a little tired of hearing the BS from the guys playing on the sidelines that have no clue.

[ALLFARMER]

If she takes away dyed fuel that will be a major
gift to the Wild Rose.

[gaucho]

why not get it dropped... might make people be a little more efficient in what they run for equipment and how they use Diesel

[ASRG]

I actually agree with Christoph on this. I don't like to spend more money than anyone else, but when we tell the government to cut spending then we have to realize everyone has to suffer a bit?
In the big picture we need to cut emmissions, whether you believe in man made climate change or not. Who wants to breathe in all that crap. We all should be doing our part to not pollute. We only have one planet to live on.

[grassfarmer]

Agreed. Had a bale grazer visit recently - talking
about saving fuel and machinery costs while he left
his truck running for the first half hour of his visit,
lol.

[Horse]

ASRG I would put these leases up for bid at the end of lease or at least make them return to the crown. These leases should not be sold . And yes the resource money belongs to the people of alta whoever in governing not some welfare cowboy. I agree that there should be some compensation for improvements.
4800 acres for $58/ acre , how much oil revenue ? You have to add intrest costs and debt servicing to inflate your AUM to $15. something like marketing boards , pay more for quota and then cry for higher prices to cover costs. If the fees paid were more in line with private rates even that would be more palatable.Are you honestly only using alloted AUMs if you are you are one of few except for those that need a few cows to keep the oil revenue rolling in. Dont have current figures but a few yr ago the crown collected 3.5mill lease fees and the leasers collected over 40 mill in resource revenue plus the use of the grass.
Now on a purley competive angle I am sucking a hind teat I have to sell on the same market and pay my own bills .If the gov is that generous mabey I could have them pay mine to.
Bottom line is lease land should be priced acording to value and the market would decide if it had a chance and mabey a fair value that all albertans could pertisipate in.
A 1/4 with 25AUM and $15000 oil is worth more than $45 taxes.

[gaucho]

$1000 / year on one well... pays for the taxes on the land

[Horse]

$1000/yr on 1 well pays the taxes on 5 or more 1/4s? $1.39/AUM

[gaucho]

Horse go out and buy one if you think you are having to pay to much for grass privately... We did and it certainly did not get gifted to us. Our numbers and costs are what I say they are and we don't go overstock it so that we ruin its carrying capacity

[ASRG]

Horse: I hope you are not suggesting cancelling grazing leases?
Why would you support something like that? Would you like the government to cancel your "Fee Simple" property? And don't think they couldn't.....they already did on part of your property, under Bill 24, the Carbon Capture & Storage Statutes Amendment Act!
Grazing leases are real property.
If you think the highest bidder should have the leases, who do you think will own them? It will be the big oil companies not farmers and ranchers!
Your competition argument doesn't add up. No one is stopping you from buying a grazing lease.

[Kathy]

Why argue with Horse... do you like talking to agent provocateurs?

When you argue with Horse you waste your breath discussing this one grievance that Horse would love you to spend all your time discussing....

Instead keep focused on what you where initially discussing and inform people of facts, not agruing Horse's fiction.