AGLA Meeting Feb 27.

[ASRG]

Okay, but do you realize by arbitrarily changing the terms of the contract, you are fundamentally confiscating real property?
For example: gaucho paid X amount of dollars with a clear understanding of what he was getting? Now you change the deal....and it no longer works for him. Who will pay him the price he paid....now that it is no longer viable? You have expropriated his property. Is that fair? Is that the kind of country we want to live in.......where the government can, defacto, steal your property?
You may not realize this but you own your own land (fee simple)....on the good will of the Crown/government? In reality they can take it from you whenever they want to....and they don't have to pay you a cent! Do we really want to go down that road?

[Horse]

This is not real property it is a lease and at the ministers discretion it can be cancled changed or revoked in the greater interest of the public, rates can change,
I would think if the lease holders were realy interested in thier intrest in grass they should try to align them selves with the real world.
Did you ever buy something expecting to make a dollar only to see that dream go south thats life.
I dont feel that losing the oil revenue should be an issue unless he bought expecting a handout from the oil biz, and if thats the case why hide behind a few cows.
Do as they say go out and buy oil rites or drill for oil but dont pretend you are a cattleman and compete with me in the market when the market dosent realy matter when your money is made before you even sell a calf.
I know of a lease in redcliff country where I was told if he turnrd 300 females out and not one came back he wouldnt lose any money.

[Horse]

Every time I get a chance to talk to a land man I ask about crown land and I was told many times of them delivering cheques in the 6 figure range and thats for sesemic , pipelines and everything not covered by anual payments, and most were as disgusted as me that the gov dosent put a stop to the gravey train.

[ASRG]

Actually a grazing lease is real property....ask any lawyer?
Did you buy your land expecting a "handout" from the oil biz? Why should you be compensated?
The oil company owns (leases) the minerals under your land. Under the Energy Resources Conservation Act they were given the right to access your property(including your grazing lease property), but with one very important provision.....they MUST have your permission before a license is issued.
If you and the oil company can't come to an agreement the Act provides a route for what is in fact an expropriation (right of entry).
Expropriation for the public interest is totally acceptable in a democratic society......but it MUST.....include a notice, a hearing and a judgement....which is why we have ERCB and Surface Rights Board hearings!
Expropriation must include fair compensation.....with the right to challenge that level of compensation....by both parties!
If you take away the grazing lease holders right to challenge expropriation and compensation......guess who is the next guy to lose his rights?
If you guessed you, the fee simple land owner, you would be correct! The grazing lease owner today....you tomorrow!
Good Lord man, don't you realize the government has already stolen a lot of your property already? Bill 2, the Carbon Capture & Storage Statutes Amendment Act, expropriated your real property, without compensation or access to due process of the law! Bill 2, the Responsible Energy Development Act, is going to take away your right due process and fair compensation!
And here you are lining up with the government and corporations trying to undermine property rights!
Farmers are often their own worse enemy.