Savory presentation

[grassfarmer]

And they have had some exceptional moisture levels
in some cases, levels that only a few people managing
grass really well would be able to handle. Most of the
pasture in my area can't handle a 2 inch rain.
When you see the improvement Savory achieves in
Africa you realise just how bad our management is on
average in a much more forgiving environment.

[rkaiser]

deep roots yes. but how about the devastation caused on the surface by the good old liquid nitrogen micro organism genocide, or the pesticides and hebicides pumped on the land. the soil used to be alive. Savory is suggesting cow manure to replenish bugs. how are we going to replenish bugs on grain land? yes trash, but we may have to re introduce life as well.

[rkaiser]

We do have a chance to make things better than the predicted "shorter" life expedency of our childern Happy Trails. Sky is not falling but we do have a thing called responsibility.

[smcgrath76]

I would agree with Gaucho and GF. We
see heavy rains here disappear almost
immediately and our place "looks dry"
compared to others. In periods of
extended drought our place looks great,
and if you really go digging the soil is
more moderate temperature, moister
deeper longer and releases the moisture
more slowly. As well the colour is a
lot darker than the annual cropped
stuff. I think we need the livestock
aspect to generate
decomposition/nutrient cycling, but I
also know that we could easily double
our cattle numbers on the same land base
we have today if we used a bit of
management.

[Happytrails]

Randy I am all for responsibility and agree with a lot of the good land stewardship ideas put forward here. However in my view predictions are just hot air unless they are based on historical observations. Our life expectancy today is higher than it has ever been. Who is to say if or when it will go down and why?

[grassfarmer]

Historical observation is just hot air too if you
misinterpret the information the way mainstream
science/society has for so long as was ably pointed
out by Savory in his presentation. He can explain the
20 failed civilizations - conventional wisdom/thinking
can't so we continue to make flawed policies.

[Happytrails]

As a mere mortal I accept my destiny along with the rest of my kind. If the gods don't want us here we won't be here. I do wonder though how Savory explains the desertification of Ellesmere Island which was a boreal forest and home to camels 3 million years ago. Was it monkey business?

[grassfarmer]

Come on HT you'll have to raise your game if your
attempts to discredit Allan Savory are to be taken
seriously.
I've never heard Savory claim that all climate change
is caused by humans. That however does not mean
that we should ignore the significant effects that man
is obviously having on the environment.
Obviously his theories are primarily based on what
were traditionally the grasslands of the world that are
now desert, pasture and crop land. Boreal forest was
clearly never the domain of huge herds of herbivores
crowded together by predators.

[ASRG]

Very interesting presentation by Alan Savory. Will David or Goliath win?
Good question.....so far it looks like Goliath is kicking Davids butt!
It is unfortunate that our "elite" politicians can't understand the concepts of simple common sense to remove carbon....instead of this completely foolish, and incredibly expensive, C02 sequestration? Billions of dollars wasted on an unproven high tech scheme.

[rkaiser]

Dont know if it is so much David vs Goliath as much as it is humans and their thoughts about money. If you challenge a producer to be more responsible, what is his excuse? Can't afford it. If you challenge a consumer to buy products produced without chemical enhancement? Can't afford it.

My only excuse for Monsanto or Cargill is that they are simply profit driven companies. Read a book once where a large group of high ranking chem ag employees at a personal retreat were asked to create utopia in a short essay and they all chose a natural approach to agriculture along with a number of other very compassionate plans.

Money is a wonderful thing. Just needs to be used properly. Kinda like computers or the one thing that changes the world..... the human mind.