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UPDATE ON PFRA PASTURES IN SASKATCHEWAN

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    #13
    All your other grazing associations came together from Provincial Lands correct?

    No not all. For eg. the Waldron was bought by a group of entrepreneurs to for a co op. Both deeded and lease land and has expanded a few times as well.

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      #14
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      Here is what has come together so far in Saskatchewan. Cppas was formed and patrons from a pasture came together and now patrons from pastures are coming together and sharing the confusion that is out there dealing with PFRA divestation of lands.

      All patron groups so far that have formed a steering committee and punched the nos have realized that there is "O" purchase of the lands it will be a lease situation. One or two pastures might purchase the "head quarter quarter or 1/2" and lease the rest.

      One or two pastures of the first 10 appears to have asked to be first and had someone with someone behind ready to purchase the pasture. Patrons have rallied at all pastures and any aggression of this nature soon changed by that pasture joining CPPAS.

      Head of Saskatchewan Lands has already backpeddled on some major comments. Patrons from one or two pastures appeared to have been told "if you don't jump on this now and be first" it will be sold out from under them". That is all now totally wrong.

      A couple of pastures where this aggression nature took place the patrons are already commenting that rather than let an outsider "big Player" in and have a former patron of that pasture the "front Man"---lets vote 75 % and give it to the FIrst Nations and deal with them. There is merit to that in that lower grazing fees.

      The SCA group is not looking good right now throughout the Pasture patrons across this province. It is a good thing the cattlemen from ALberta have commented many times on getting their checkoff $$ back from the ABP. I even like the Western Stockgrowers site because it is on their home page. There is even a form to use. Right Per

      Some of us now have contacted the SCA and suggested to the SCA that look at Alberta. They have forms one can use.

      NO this PFRA situation in Saskatchewan is a lot like negotiating with a Pipeline Company on land access rights.

      "Do not be in a hurray and make that deal" The culture of Saskatchewan ranchers though is they are tires of their pasture patron meetings. Looking each other in the face. No positive nos to punch in figures. Get tiring after a while. SOme just want to throw up their hands and quit.

      Not now. Cppas has the whole province talking and sharing knowledge. Cppas is watching to the East to the Manitoba lead on how they are working with their government and cattlemen's association on a restructured business plan.

      Per-- No rush. Time to think about farming and summer. Pick up the meetings next fall and winter.

      Patrons have to sign off a pasture first by quitting the program before anything else can proceed.

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        #15
        Thanks Sadie, I have enjoyed kicking this around with you on here. I hope it all works out, keep up the good work.

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          #16
          I was a patron of a pf pasture for a few years. I
          thought it was a great deal. Drop your critters off in
          the spring and pick em up in the fall. However I
          knew the writing was on the wall several years
          previous from some good sources. I knew these
          pastures were a money losing venture from the get
          go. Heck the guys in the pf said the oil revenue was
          barely keeping them in the black, and they werent
          even paying any lease to the owners the provincial
          govt. Therefore this transition to grazing coops or
          associations is going to be interesting. I honestly
          don't know how you can even cost out grazing fees
          close to what the pf did. Even if the provincial govt
          gave the improvements away (which they should)
          the day to day cost of employees, maintenance,
          andkeeping a bull herd will be daunting. My honest
          opinion is the prov govt should structure lease fees
          at a lower rate because these pastures require more
          management because of the sensitive
          environments they contain.
          I don't think the pasture committees should be
          sitting pat for too long. What I found dealing with
          govt guys is if you go to them with a workable plan
          they are willing to deal. Standing back and getting
          hostile won't solve much. I wouldn't worry about
          Sunterra as much as I would about the fsin. They
          are definately sniffing around.
          What we worried about with our pasture was raising
          enough money to address buying bulls, daily costs
          etc. All these costs before you even turn a wheel.
          Therefore, this is a complete frickin mess.

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              Tried to upload two pieces this morning and am rusty taking it out of photobucket. It appears some changes were made in that area.

              Time to go to work. Will try again for tomorrow morning.

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                  #20
                  It's the third code down you need to use Sadie - the
                  one that says HTML and starts <ahref. I tried but it
                  will never post off a Mac for some reason. Don't have
                  time to fire up the old PC.

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                          #24
                          Here is how things came out the winter of 2012 & 2013.

                          Map of all the PFRA pastures in Saskatchwan. Notice 7 districts.

                          PFRA pastures many had patron meetings fall of 2012. Pasture Advisory Committes were formed in many of those pastures.

                          Other than the first 10 pastures announced the rest of the pastures did not know when their year was up for their final year.

                          The schedule final came to all pasture patrons on Feb 7 2013. What a relief to approx. 2000 patrons. Many looked at their final year of PFRA, looked at their age and are targeting their date of cow-herd dispersal.

                          The first 10 have had a very busy fall & winter. Meetings with themselves, crunching nos, what to do, how to proceed with a business plan, identity.

                          Bylaws of identities from other pastures (like in Alberta) have been circulated.

                          Several meetings with government(provincial). No final nos to work with. Those nos were slow to get to the Province from the feds.

                          PFRA pasture patron informational meeting (full house) Jan 23 in Saskatoon. CPPAS was encorpated as a result of that meeting. To share knowledge from patron groups across the province.

                          To date CPPAS is close to 40 of the 60 pastures as members. Communication is strong amongst pasture groups.

                          Lobbying the Feds through letters to the MPS and to AG Minister Ritz to have the PFRA federally get all the information (Ducks in a row) now and the first 10 could then proceed with business plan, formation of business entity.

                          That is the process to date.

                          Look at the map and notice how the first 10 pastures are selected throughout the entire province.

                          Government strategy in this process is the old:

                          DIVIDE AND CONQUER, CROWD CONTROL used by government and energy companies like PIPELINE.

                          CPPAS association, brought everyone together to communicate, share knowledge and move forward.

                          Manitoba pasture patrons association is ahead of Saskatchewan in their process. They are working on a business plan on their 22 pastures with support from their cattlemen's association and their provincial government to put together a new business entity so that pasture patrons have similar grazing leases with professional management of grasslands and animal husbandry still in place similar to the PFRA system.

                          Collectively Cppas is looking at that Idendity as well.

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