Hatred of Cows???

[Happytrails]

Information came up at a meeting this winter on the views of a certain government employee. This individual apparently has authority over land use in an environmental reserve and is very open about his distaste for cattle.

I've thought about that on and off for a few weeks. His land management strategy will obviously be influenced by his hatred of cattle. Maybe to the extent that the health of the land becomes secondary to the exclusion of cows for personal reasons.

What finally prompted this posting came to me yesterday while watching the little calves play and their mothers enjoying the day. I got to wondering how important cattle are to societies. It seems to me very likely that cattle have been and are one of the foundations of a prosperous society. If some of you erudite types on agriville can flesh this concept out please do. On the surface I think is should be fairly easy to prove that a supply of domestic cattle is a requirement for a wealthy society. Do you eat pizza, do you shampoo your hair, are you shoes leather, etc, etc?

If the above argument holds, to hate cows is to hate prosperity and modern society. Therefore those that do should be exposed as enemies of prosperity and all that implies. They certainly should NOT be given any authority in land use decisions.

I started this post making comment on a certain individual (initials CW) that is in a position of authority for public lands and hates cows. As a reader of "RANGE" magazine for a few years I believe that the cow hating syndrome is pretty common and is a threat to grazing public lands and maybe more.

Incidental to this discussion my opinion is that people who hate cattle don't know enough about them. Most cows work a lot harder than most people. And they pay attention to the things that matter to them.

Gotta check the heifers. HT

[Kathy]

Happy trails, I find it impossible to think this
person hates cows. I do find it very likely that he
hates the people that prosper from the
domestication of cattle. So I'm not far off from
your idea of his hating prosperity. The IDEA (not
reality) that the public lands are for the public to
roam upon and smell the daisies, while living
harmoniously with the wildlife is not unrealistic, it
IS however unrealistic to think that the lack of
management is what's best for the ecosystem.
Grazing of livestock, cattle, in these reserves
assists in the renewal of the grasses and keeps
the fire hazards down as well. And, yes is helpful
to the cattle producers.

If you go to the developing nations and ask the
peasants what gives them wealth, prosperity, food
and pride - the answer will be their livestock
(cattle, chickens, goats, horses). Not
understanding this fundamental principle (hating
cows!), demonstrates a person who within his
"own world"' lives off the backs of other people.
Sadly this is most common. The percentage of
people in our modern society that are NOT
connected directly with agriculture/food production
is getting bigger all the time. Step back 100 years
in Canada and what a difference! If you see CW,
don't ask him what he has against cattle - ask him
what he has against you. He is able to get away
with his ranting and bullying because you (and
CW) have displaced his anger towards cows....in
reality I think he hates you and all cattle
producers. Getting to the root of this anger might
require some psychotherapy or heavy social
drinking with some red-neck ranchers.

[Kathy]

My hubby just pointed out that in the mind of CW,
we, the people, are their "private herd" to
manipulate and manage as we manage our cattle.
So true. Government employees definitely take
on the role of "herd" managers. Eg. Public health
talks about "herd immunity" when they push the
big pharma vaccines. We no longer have
"personelle departments", we have "human
resources".

Governments, like our entrenched 41 year
Conservative regime, has had unfettered access
to our pocket books, visa taxes, for too long. It is
our opinion that these elitist managers with
Governments and "think tanks" want to take away
from citizens their ability to live independent of
Government. Consequently, our ability to earn an
independent income from the management of our
property (including livestock and lands) is a
hindrance to their plans and goals. Those goals
being to have the public living hand to mouth,
totally dependent upon Government handouts and
jobs, to survive. Too big to fail, applies to
governments, as well as companies, in today's
indebted wack-a-doodle world. This is why the
West is taking down regimes in the Middle East
because their legitimacy and economic
independence is reaching a critic stage that might
prevent such interventions in the future.

The only thing that separates Canada from China
is our personal control of our lifestyle and income.
Once the majority are at the mercy of
Government, the Government will do whatever is
necessary to maintain its control, to the detriment
of the people.

I met a man the other day who "lives to work" for
a large oil company. Apparently, he has no
family. I pointed out that I "work to live" and
would find a life of looking out for the interests of
my employer, before my own, distasteful.

When you "live to work" you have no time to sit
back and think (ponder life's good and bad, enjoy
the simple pleasures of nature and concern
yourself with the plight of others). When we take
time, because we have that economic leisure, to
ponder on life's miracles and disasters etc. we
might decide to change things in Government to
make this a better world. Instead, most people
live paycheque to paycheque and do not have the
leisure of time to just contemplate life. Given a
choice, we must decide what makes us fulfilled -
for me, life is not about consuming "things", or
making as much money as possible. This is a
personal choice that my cattle and land provide to
me.

Based on our educational curriculum, government
is training employees not creating entrepreneurs.
Our children will shape the future!

[Horse]

HT do you mabey not think ( CW whoever) that is is gust fed up with gov subsidized free range plus oil revenue going to a few such as Kathy says want to set back and enjoy thier prosperity on the gov tit and call themselves stewarts of the land? Just what do you supose would happen if they had to play on the same field as those that does not enjoy free gov milk.

[Happytrails]

With due respect to fellow posters I do believe that there are individuals who bring an irrational dislike of cattle along as baggage in land use discussions. The odd hiker has stepped in a cow pie and doesn't want it to happen again. Solution in their mind? "Get rid of the cattle. We don't need them anyway." The point of my post is that we DO need them and can prove it. This discussion might be relevant to the regional plans, etc.

[grassfarmer]

One issue that is spoken a lot about nowadays is the
methane producing effect of cows and how terrible
that is for the environment. What the people wanting
rid of cows for that purpose fail to consider is that
the deer and elk populations that would expand
expedentially if the cattle were banished..... unless
they plan to wipe out them as well.

[Kathy]

The regional plans have already been outlined/
drafted by the Agenda 21 nazis with the UN. We
can try to influence them, but ultimately the long
term goal is the elimination of the meat industry.
Don't worry Monsanto will take care of us!

As for Horses rude comments, I would hope those
monitoring this site give him a warning, his
outright hate rid for those of us with grazing
leases is disturbing. We all know how he feels,
repeating his hateful attacks anytime property
rights or grazing leases are brought up is
harassment. Especially, when he hasn't the guts
to give us his real name.

[Kathy]

Let me add this, when I listened to the radio,
QR77, yesterday a woman who used to be a
vegan was on. She discussed how when she
started to waver and include some meat in her
diet, she physically felt better. So, she told people
on her blog that she was now eating some meat.
(She was an ardent activist in the vegan world).
She was shocked when her supposed friends and
colleges attacked her, even threatening to kill her.
Nobody gave a damn about her health. She
learned that these zealots were beyond reasoning
with.

If eventually the people get so far away from food
production, they shoot the suppliers in the back,
then they will have to suffer the consequences of
food price hikes and empty store shelves. There
is a related song, it goes "You don't know what
you've got, til it's gone" "They paved paradise and
put up a parking lot".

I for one, am tired of educating the rude and
ignorant about the facts of life on the farm. It is
best to talk to those with open minds and warm
hearts. Let the black hearts listen to themselves,
pay them no heed.

[Horse]

Kathy I never said I hate anyone with a grazing welfare system I said I wish this gov would get a decent rent from those with leases and put us all on a level field instead of me and other producers that pay our own way subsidizing lease holders.
If all is as it should be why dont you come clean on what your costs are and your revenue on your lease land?
Seems to be a big secret what goes on on lease land. The gov didnt have the balls to raise the AUM fees for 40 yr . $1.39/ AUM in the real world its $30.00/ AUM . As for name how would you like George Thats as good as Kathy.

[Happytrails]

I guess the cow haters have won. First I and likely others couldn't get on the site for 2 days and then it gets hijacked.

[Kathy]

Happytrails, here is an article from Missouri which
demonstrates that not all Legislatures are blindly
implementing "regional plans", like Alberta. They
take their property rights and rights to due
process more seriously.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/missouri-legislature-
bans-un-agenda-21.html

I give kudos to anybody with the energy to fight
the (perhaps well-meaning?) people who want to
rid the world of methane producing, cow paddy
dropping cows.

Maybe it would make a good campaign by ABP to
let the public in on all the products and benefits of
cattle, besides meat and milk production. Then
again, where are the "other" products being
produced? It would be nice to see a focus on
Canadian companies.

With the prices we received for our cattle post
BSE, I couldn't understand why those leather
purses I liked, cost so bloody much.

[ag-boy]

yes I agree horse you came out very clear about profit making taxmoney leaseholers !
it is about time P-C puts up this heavy subsidiced grasing land for bid,s or sale to all of us.
not every body hates cows ,lots of people step in dogpoep or complain about pet vet care and high cost
true oil money even road,s and material
supplied to pasture,s