PID Book?

[SADIE]

Bring you guys in Alberta back up to date on the veterinary scene.

Running a private veterinary practice there is NO government agency or inspector that can come in a dictate your operation.

A few Inspectors have been tossed out of a few clinics as well.

The reality is this:

What stage and age is your veterinarian in. If they are late in their careers and a have a few years left some will tell inspectors and traceablity to take a hike.

Newer, younger vets often think of a career change and that means Industry, Government (CFIA) or university. One has to be careful in those stages not to get too spirited or vocal on what you agree upon. IN those stages one cannot even voice publically their own opinion.

Happytrails---Veterinary prescription on certain controlled drugs or schedule drugs is a totally separate situation.

That is provincial association laws and they appear to be tightening around the practitionors in the field.

A veterinary prescription helps enforce a veterinary clinent relationship with you the client.

[smcgrath76]

Our veterinarian has a veterinary/client relationship with us and has not requested our PID for any products. Our farm supply store has requested it. Actually I needed it to buy a bottle of Dettol, and yet I can buy the same thing in Walmart with no PID. I am not 100% sure if PID is the easiest way to track locations. To be honest I have a new address sign too, but still use my land location as my only point of reference.

[grassfarmer]

It's a bit like the blue address signs that are emergency locators - to minimize time spent locating in case of an emergency. The PID is a unique number to allow Government to deal with a disease outbreak eg foot and mouth.
From the British experience it is something that they probably wish they had back in 2001. Do you know that some farms had their stock culled in the UK because someone in an office reversed their latitude and longitude coordinates? Happened on more than one occasion. From that experience it's easy to see how Governments can learn a lesson and put a program in place so that that couldn't happen here.

Don't kid yourself if something big scale occurred here it's the Government and CFIA running the show not the ABP, CCA, local vets or LIS. Government and CFIA have access to the PIDs, the rest of us probably don't due to FOIP.

Everyone is quick to criticize the CDN Government for "allowing BSE into Canada" and want compensation but when they try to introduce proactive programs to reduce risk they are the villains for that too.

[greybeard]

That would be a pro-active program based on fear.
Fear is a politicians best friend.
Often used to keep them elected.
But sometimes, when people realize they aren't afraid, the electorate says BS and boots their asses out.

[perfecho]

I have no problem with PID, or address or land location.....pick one and move on....really doesn't matter to me, I can handle change. Just justify why one is better than another!

[SADIE]

smcgrath

Thankyou for your clarification.

I made several phone calls last night to Alberta Clinics and Sask Clinics to vets I know and from my age era.

None of them are enforcing PID at their clinics.

Veterinary Clinic Relationship is however strengthening. The annual fall SVMA association meeting I attended in Sept in Regina. There were several amendments to VCR.

This has been a long procedure over many years to prevent the wholesale distributing of PR drugs many miles away from a clinic.

Some vets use this to protect themselves also. If you come in, Haven't been there in a while, maybe not a recent record of business on file, maybe no farm call on premise in the last year, maybe the clinic has you marked as a difficult client or does not want your business that is way to politely say "there is the door".

Grassfarmer.

Correction CFIA or government powers has no control over a veterinarian in private business in a clinic owned and operated by themselves.

Many many clinics I know along with lay outlets have "kicked" the RFID eartags out of their clinics when "Dictatorship" threats from inspectors tried to walk in on them threatening fines. There is very little margin in selling these tags. To the clinics they have booted out anything that is a hastle to them and concentrate on where they can make $$$.

Concentrate more on the Small animal game ------that just keeps on rolling.

The provincial veterinary associations do have control over practitioners though through annual license fee and practice inspection every 5 years.

Veterinary Client relationship VCR is powerfull and keeps on getting tighter.

[grassfarmer]

Agreed perfecho, non-issue, lets move on.

[smcgrath76]

GF - I agree with the non issue. Thanks for the clarification as to use in GB. Makes sense to me.

[Happytrails]

Perfecho, it seem some missed your message.
You said "I have no problem with PID, or address or land location.....pick one and move on....really doesn't matter to me, I can handle change. Just justify why one is better than another!"

I would make the case that the best one is the one that has the most meaning for the most people. Tough task for the PID's and really tough if they aren't made public.

[perfecho]

If "I were the man", don't think I would have chosen another number to make the case....home address would have worked, but there maybe something I am missing....but it is done, I am ok with it and have other things to spend my time on. Have it on my phone if need be....
Do think that some of these things come about because someone has a job and is trying to justify it.....

[grassfarmer]

Like the blue emergency signs a simple letter/number combination serves to provide a unique location identifier for each operation. Of course the Government already knows who lives there, what the legal land locations are etc so they just attach a PID to it.

Address is kind of vague as some are Rural route, some PO box, some might live in town or offsite.

Legal land description might identify the home quarter but doesn't cover outlying quarters specifically.

Makes sense to me to issue a unique "code" if you like to each operation - that is the PID.

[Happytrails]

I've got land in 4 different townships with some separated 15 miles. Same PID. At least if they used legal land description you could tell them where the cattle were loaded.