con artists for Leaders in the beef debate

[ivbinconned]

What is the M.O. of a pickpocketer...he tries to make you look the other way! I am digusted with leaders who create problems and then claim to be the champions of our cause. WHY blame the U.S.A.!! It was WE who put a ban on Japan's beef a long time ago and have neglected to lift it!! We poked them in the eye and they are pokeing us back. We have no itegrity in this mess. Pointing fingers at the U.S. (which is always the Canadian thing to do ) is just an attempt to deflect attention away from those whose actions should realy be under scrutiny.

[nakodo]

Never forget that while the borders are closed BOTH the Japanese and US beef exporters are making up our 5 % share of the Japanese market and of the US market...

[ValueChainFX]

ivbinconned, you may be right, this could be a question of politics and finger pointing. The real issue is can the producers take some control and ensure they are not put in this situation again.

There is no doubt these things are going to happen and a good manager needs to look at what challenges could happen and how best to work with a challenge if it does come up.

In this case, we have a challenge that we all knew was going to come up sooner or later. We all know something like this MAY happen again. Can we do some things that will make this a little easier to handle. We believe there is but it means the industry needs to take some control of their own future.

The politics are going to happen. The industry leaders are going to stay with their perception of their own agenda, but the producer has the options to make change!

Time to make those changes.

[kjuppal]

Its true that we are suffering for daily loss of around 14 million a day with US embargo on beef, but these kinds of polito-econo situations can give a lesson to managers to handle these types of crises before hand in future.

Risk management tools like options, derivatives should be more practiced rather tahn just considering them a liabilty for producers.

Exploring new markets, overdependence on US markets and Bridging/Third party associations with some other nationalities to send shipments to USA are few of other marketing alternatives available.

[ivbinconned]

kjuppal...what are you suggesting. That we use other countries to do an end run and get our beef into the U.S. I bet they would be impressed!
What I would like to know is WHO gained buy our having a ban on Japan beef. WHO wanted it to stay in place. Did those who liked this ban on Japanese beef think we live in a vacume?

[ivbinconned]

ValueChain...Taking control of our industry is a pretty tall order, in fact I would suggest impossible. I recall in the late 70s early 80s Nigarugua owed Canadian Banks millions of dollars and could not pay so the canadian bankers association lobbied the Liberal goverment to ignor the beef quota assigned to that country so they could dump beef into Canada and get hard canadian currancy to pay their debts to our banks. I sold calves that fall for .45 cents and had a big interest bill at the bank.
I also have a friend who is a trucker. He has hauled beef from the docks in California...to Calgary...where it was not unloaded...but checked over and stamped with a canadian label and then he delivered it back into the U.S.A I would suppose that some country was useing us as a backdoor to dump there beef into the U.S. And to think that some one there was bragging about serving Western Canadian grain fed beef These are things we know, you can imagine what we do not know. And here I thought that the bank and big beef interests were on my side. Oh well...ivbinconned... its happened before...it will happen again!

[ValueChainFX]

ivbinconned, yes you are right that the order is tall for an individual. Yet each one of us know that we have been getting the short end of the stick for a long time now.

To gain some control of your business you have to start somewhere. We already know there are producers that are going to sit on the sidelines and watch, and that's fine. But when you think about it, the time has never been better to get some producer focus on making something happen.

For those that feel they can live with what we have ... they can. For those that feel they can do something about it ... they can.

[kjuppal]

I think its the Australian Beefat cost of canadian one who is getting entry in US, as demand for beef is still there and Aust. was one of the Allies in last war efforts.

its not the beef industry which is in problem, in few months it can happen to other products like blueberries/vegetables/fruits.