Anybody see this?

[ValueChainFX]

Just what we need the government making more of the producer choices for them! We just need to put the safest product into the world market and test every animal, are we concerned about the cost to do this or the price we are paying for not doing it!

Even to talk of a mandatory destruction sends shivers through me. If some of the producer want to go that way, let them make the choice.

[ValueChainFX]

Just what we need the government making more of the producer choices for them! We just need to put the safest product into the world market and test every animal, are we concerned about the cost to do this or the price we are paying for not doing it!

Even to talk of a mandatory destruction sends shivers through me. If some of the producer want to go that way, let them make the choice.

[ValueChainFX]

Just what we need the government making more of the producer choices for them! We just need to put the safest product into the world market and test every animal, are we concerned about the cost to do this or the price we are paying for not doing it!

Even to talk of a mandatory destruction sends shivers through me. If some of the producer want to go that way, let them make the choice.

[cowman]

Oh I doubt we'll ever see supply management! We missed out on that gravy train when old Eugene was pushing it. I mean take a look around and realize just how well the dairy and chicken guys have done. We could have been there!
Cargill and IBP are dependent on large supplies of cheap cattle that they can export and they call the tune...so it ain't going to happen!
The fact is we have this terrible by-product...the old cow! And the fact is she eats and costs money to keep! As an aside we can not actually operate without getting something out of her when her productive days are done...and I don't mean 8 cents/lb.!
Now we need to get rid of some cows! I'm sure some packers would just love to get them for 8 cents! Preferably for ever but for at least a couple of years! We all know that is unreasonable because we can't stay in business with 8 cent cows. The packers sure don't want to see all those 8 cent cows in a pit!
Will our governments do what is needed? Unlikely! They are more into dithering and wringing their hands until it's too late! I mean look at this whole thing? When the science was done and it became very obvious this was nothing but a phony tradewar, what did they do? Did they play hardball with the Japs and Yanks? No, they snivelled and whined and said what can we do? We need to cowtow to the Americans and show the whole world what a bunch of wimps we are???

[rusty1]

Let me remind you all the sustem was working relativly fine till 520. The production groups were all capable of making some money. Yeh maybe some cow calf producers are whining, but then why should the country subsidize c/c producers that live on land that erbinites want to pay other world prices. Producers that are managing their ranches properly are making a go of it too.
But to hav a Sask. Pool socialistic additude and managment direction into market control I'd fight tooth nail.
Take a look at the hog industry - it sure dosn't look like it's working all that well, and has not for quite a few years. As far as the dairy, their subsidized industry still has their producers with a big ring in their nose.
One major direction we need to make our situation fly is to get some salesman out into the rest of the world so we don't rely so much on one customer.

[ValueChainFX]

rusty1 I couldn't agree with you more, at the moment CBEF is the only one and if one checks out their web site you will find Cargill is right in there with their man in a key board role!!!

Whatever, going into markets other than US, is one of the steps we need to take! Japan never did take cows and only took the best of the best, but pay top dollar for it .

[pandiana]

rusty1 "Let me remind you all the sustem was working relativly fine till 520. The production groups were all capable of making some money. Yeh maybe some cow calf producers are whining, but then why should the country subsidize c/c producers that live on land that erbinites want to pay other world prices. Producers that are managing their ranches properly are making a go of it too."

I guess I have to put myself in what you call the 'whiner' category. Judging from what I have been hearing over the past few years, I am in good company.
Without a doubt, urbanites are driving up the cost of farm land, but ironically, this can be any land, not just close to the cities.

I would assume the " managing their ranches properly" refers to inheriting a large portion of your land and machinery.

[pandiana]

rusty1 "Let me remind you all the sustem was working relativly fine till 520. The production groups were all capable of making some money. Yeh maybe some cow calf producers are whining, but then why should the country subsidize c/c producers that live on land that erbinites want to pay other world prices. Producers that are managing their ranches properly are making a go of it too."

I guess I have to put myself in what you call the 'whiner' category. Judging from what I have been hearing over the past few years, I am in good company.
Without a doubt, urbanites are driving up the cost of farm land, but ironically, this can be any land, not just close to the cities.

I would assume the " managing their ranches properly" refers to inheriting a large portion of your land and machinery.

[pandiana]

cowman, what do you think the packers will do with those 8 cent cows if the border stays closed?

[kato]

All the dairy guys I know are doing well, but they also are constantly looking over their shoulders. The Americans are gunning for them and want the marketing boards GONE. I know several who have sold out just because they were worried that the end of the marketing board would be the end of their quota value, which they were counting on as retirement money. In fact their cows all went to Wisconsin, to a dairy farm that milks seveal thousand cows. Just what we need..factory milk farms.

I know quite a few hog producers as well. Vertical integration has pretty much eliminated the small operator. The days of having a few sows around are over, because there is no where to market weanlings in anything less than a truckload. Years ago we kept the house going quite nicely with 30 sows. Now it's either big or nothing in the pig business. The only way for a young guy to start up is as an "employee" (aka contracted) for one of the big pork companies.

Years back Manitoba had a short spell of central desk selling that seemed to work quite well. I can't remember all the details though. Anyone here have a better memory. It wasn't a marketing board, but the packers had to buy through the central desk, something like the Manitoba Hog Marketing board is now. Quota and a marketing board sound good now...they always are when things get started, but one byproduct is that in time the quota value gets so high that it totally eliminates young producers from starting up. With dairy and chickens now, if you don't inherit it, you don't get in, because to buy quota and start up would take you a lifetime to pay off. We don't want to lose our young producers.