Economic Conspiracy

[GodLovesTheUSA]

Canadians have a bitter pill to swallow. They are not willing to take the steps that are necessary to economic independance and international power. Yet they do not like facing the reality of the weak situation.
The answer is "Yes". if you want to feed your kids and pay your bills.
Canada could still be a great nation, morally, militarily and economically. The USA is not preventing this from happening.
If you keep electing governments like the Liberals or communists or what you have up there, expect your fate to be like every other socialist or communist country. And you can just keep on blaiming your problems on someone else.

[GodLovesTheUSA]

I am going to paint the picture a little clearer for you socialists up there. Canada is a door to door salesman. As such they are going door to door looking scruffy and bleary eyed, with a joint smoldering in one hand, wearing a cap that says WE LOVE GAYS AND LESBIANS. At the same time they are saying that they do not want to help their customers and that they think their customers are ugly, mean warlike bastards. Just think how much they are going to sell.
Would you not think that a door to door salesman would be more successful if he came to the door with a reputation as a pillar in the community, dressed neatly, and smelling fresh with a friendly smile. Would it not be nice if the customer knew that this salesman was his friend, and that there were ties that went beyond business. Maybe the first salesman was a fine man at one time, even a friend at one time,but not any more. Is this a clear enough picture?

[rookie]

no matter what you ( gtlusa) have said so far, its pretty obvious to me you are thumbing your nose at Canada. You have in a matter of paragraphs brought forward every steriotype of intolerance and arrogance I have seen in a while. Politics aside, do you ever wonder why so much of the world does not care for your nation? Do you ever look in a mirror?
How stupid do you think Canadians are generally?
Now that you have had your little rant about politics , religion , economics and pilosiphy, do you think you have convinced anyone ?
Probably not, its all about "me" (meaning you), right?!
You know what my God given right to free speech ( and with the good grace of the moderators here ) says... its too bad you will never get it.

[cowman]

Without a doubt GLTUSA has a few good points! One is the problem we have had relying so much on the American market. Everything is fine until the protectionist forces in that country decide to crack the whip. I guess the one thing this whole political trade war(the BSE crisis) has proved is we can't rely so heavy on the US. Perhaps it's time we started moving back towards our roots in Europe? It's not inconcievable that we could get into the EU? Or do we just wait out the unfriendly administration in the US? Unlikely Bush will get back in after basically destroying the American economy. But the BSE thing has shown us it is not a good thing to be in bed with an elephant because when he rolls over...?
And GLTUSA...we don't need a huge military because we don't go around trying to slaughter third world countries! And they don't attack us because we don't go around trying to meddle in their affairs and steal their oil!
And further more where do you get off calling me a socialist? If I got one half the subsidies you get from agriculture I'd think I was in heaven! I pay dearly for my medi-care insurance(through a premium and taxes) and the service isn't all that great!!! Most Canadians support medi-care because we care about our poor, elderly and children. Maybe someday soon you will catch up with Canada?
Where did you ever get the idea we are legalizing dope? Do you realize America has a much bigger problem with drugs than Canada? You should stop listening to propaganda from idiots like John Walters(the American drug czar)! The only difference is we don't think some kid with a joint should get 26 years in prison like the 16 year old did in Louisiana! Do you realize you have the largest prison population in the world per capita? And over 25% are for minor drug convictions? This is progress?
Now tell me one more thing? Aren't gay marriages in fact legal in Hawaai? Isn't Hawaai part of the US? How about Colorado?
Now where did I once read "Don't try to take the splinter out of your brothers eye until you remove the plank from your own eye"??? Guess who said it?

[rsomer]

It is another special day for Canadians because...

It is 11197 days since fighting ends in Vietnam. The American forces leave defeated. Over 33,000 American boy's lives were wasted to counter a threat that wasn’t there.

It is 674 days since Enron collapsed after the company’s deceitful accounting practices became public. Enron is followed by Worldcom and K-Mart leaving the U.S. economy reeling.

It is 4388 days since Canada was voted by the United Nations to be the best place in the world in which to live. Canada wins this title for the next straight 6 years.

It is 3287 days since a Canadian, James Gosling, invented Java programing language. It is 129 years since another Canadian, Henry Wood, patents the electric light bulb and sell the patent to Thomas Edison.

It is 573 and 574 days since the Canadian National Mens and Womens hockey teams kick American butt at the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Most of all it is a special day for Canadians because when woke up this morning they could look around and take pride in the fact that they weren’t Americans.

Maybe if our American neighbours remembered what a special day it is they would be more humble.

[rsomer]

Darn that got posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.

[GodLovesTheUSA]

rsomer is typical of the mental condition that most Canadian beef producers are suffering from. I have no disagreement with his assessment of the USA. I know that it is true. I am trying to change things down here.
At first glance the posting he made about all of the days, appeals to the Canadians reading this forum. He has been complimented several times by the readers of this forum. However the comments made in this posting reveal the sadly stupid nature of the Canadian people in general.
These are the same comments that we Americans hear from your government leaders, from your press and business leaders. It is a great way to get votes and sell papers.
I think back to the cold war when it was capitalism and freedom against communism and slavery. Russia was our bitter enemy and China was not about to buy anything from us.
Trudeau could make left wing, sour comments about the USA and cozy up to the communists and you guys would sell all kinds of wheat at world prices to communist nations.
Great for you. Bad for us. The American farmers really struggeled during that time.
But that was the past and the pendulum is swinging the other way.

Now world governments are moving to the right, while Canada is still moving to the left. Military might and alliances are factors now in international trade.
You cannot afford to do this (lip off the USA) any longer.
Regarding rsomers comments. We well remember, check me on this Ambassador Ken Taylor who helped us in Iran. It is good to mention that. It has not been forgotten. rsomer forgot to mention the help we received from Canadians on Sept 11, when our planes were able to land in your county and be safe. He forgot to mention the help we received from Canada in Desert Storm and the large number of brave Canadian soldiers helping us in Afghanistan.

These are good things to mention.
He (rsome) chose rather to defend his countries honor by running us down.
Thats great, if you can afford it. The negative comments made by rsomer would have been appropriate if he were Germany for instance that is a now a stable economic country and is not dependant on exports of it produce. The county of Japan would not speak like this. What good does it do to speak out against the customer whose money you need?
While it may make you feel good, (to shoot your mouth off) a country with a real business focus would bite its lip like so many of you readers have been doing and say nothing unless it was positive towards your customer.
This is not very much fun, but that is the way it is.
If rsomer were a government representative in Japan, he would be instantly removed from the government.
Japan can not afford to madden their neighbours. When Canada gets to be powerful again, and not dependant on exports, then go ahead, shoot your mouth off.

With your huge resources and good work ethic, Canada could have it all. You could easily be the wealthiest nation in the world. What a shame you are wasting it all. If Japan had what you have they would be the most powerful and influential nation in the world.
It does not make me feel good to say that Canadians are studid, but that is the way it seems to be, and rsomer is at the top of the list.

[jensend]

okay were stupid and for more comic relief try www.ironictimes.com

[GodLovesTheUSA]

Maybe you Canadians would like to see what American farmers think of NAFTA
Check out this website and enter canada in the search box. Some interesting links will appear.
http://www.fb.com
Canadians would do well to see how other nations are prospering and do likewise. The economic crunch that you are are feeling becuase of BSE is nothing.
Just think what would happen if other industries were hit. At the present time other Canadians have the money to support your products a little bit. They would not if there industry was hurt too. They would not have the money.
I have mentioned elsewhere that Canadian farmers could make up for their lack of numbers by donating large amounts of money to lobby efforts. The reply I got back was it would not make any difference.
I thought about that. Here in the USA we are so concerned about large corporations donating large amounts of money to political parties. The corporations do this to protect their interests. This will work in Canada too.. I know you Canadians do not like to admit that you are subidized. but if you each took $1000 of the money you receive from direct Government payments and put this to lobbying, you could really have an impact, it would not matter which government was in power. From an Ugly American

[GodLovesTheUSA]

Well I am spending too much time at this. Time to retire. In closing I would like to say how much I respect the Canadians for the way they have helped us Americans in the past. I personally spend as much up there as I can. I am never shy about buying something on the interent from a Canadian.
This will be my last post and comment that I make before your BSE crisis is over and you are once again shipping live cattle into the USA.
I really do not have anything more to add other than I hope things work out for all of you nice folks. I do separate Western Canadians from their government. You have a right to be proud of your wonderful country which can be a great country again. Dont sit on your political laurels. Get actively involved. There are always things that can be done. Believe me money goes a long way in effective lobbying.
It is so hard to explain why God is important in our lives, families and governments, but I feel that leaving God out of things has hurt us. We all need to do better in this area.

I would once again like to express my deepest regards for Canadians as individuals. The interest and concern that I have shown about your BSE situation is more than most of my countrymen have done.
God Loves Canada
Dont turn your backs on Him. He will pull you through this. My wife and I pray for you beef producers often and we do care. For those that took offense at my misplaced and clumsy efforts at communication, I am sorry for the offense.Lets hope this is over soon.
Ted