Economic Conspiracy

[GodLovesTheUSA]

As an Amercian beef producer I am sensing from reading this agri forum that a lot of Canandian beef producers are getting the idea that there is a conspiracy against their industry. I have heard things mentioned like
"The Americans are getting back at us for not supporting them in IRAQ"
"The Americans are waging an economic war against Canadian Beef producers.--Man was that ever ripe.
"The Americans only look after themselves.""They are out to take over the Canadian Beef Industry." Sorry if the quotes are not verbatim, I think however that I have the general idea.

A few comments.
The Canadian Beef Industry and Canadians in general have been blessed with large amounts of USA dollars entering their country in recent years from sales of beef. This was a blessing to your country from the God Fearing United States of America-- probably the only country in the world today that is standing up for freedom and knows the difference between right and wrong.

When this flow of money stops you think that there is a conspiracy. The reality of the situation is that the small, insignificant population of Canada can not consume the production from Canadas large land base.
Hence you need to export. Unfortunately for you the country you are exporting most of your beef production to does not need your beef.
We are not suffering without your beef at all. You like to think that you have the only good beef in the world. Not True. American beef is very tasty as well.

What do you think would happen to the price of your oil and gas if that SOB United States of America decided that we did not need that as well. The price would collapse. Perhaps as much as the price of beef has. Natural gas prices are now $5 MCF. I could see that changing in a hurry if the border was ever shut down to gas exports. Maybe you should appreciate the huge amount of USA dollars that enter you country from energy purchases.For you Albertans, How many of your sons and daughters have jobs in the oil and gas industry in your province? If that were to shut down as the cattle industry has, what do you think would happen to those jobs? Don't hate the USA with your mouths full.

The point is NO CONSPIRACY.
The reality is. Canada produces a lot more than it can use.
Canadians like to think that they are pretty important in the world. They think that everyone in the world needs everything that they produce.
I will tell you what the world needs. It is good old USA dollars.
See how you get along without American dollars. If it was not for American dollars your economy would not last 6 months.
You are very lucky that Americans need your oil and gas right now.
As far as this baloney about Americans waging economic war against Canada. Nonsense. If the USA was not pouring billions of the USA $ into Canada every day you would find out what economic action was.
Canadians need a few lessons in economics.

[cowman]

Gltusa: I've got to assume you are trying to just be provocative! No one is that crazy!
Canada and the USA are tied together. Who do you think is your biggest trading partner? In fact, takes over 50% of your trade? You guessed it...Canada! Do you really want to freeze in the dark?
We sell you raw materials and you sell us the results! So who benifits?
You need us and we definitely need you! That is a fact of life!
Hey how would you like a hostile nation up here? One that maybe likes to blow up your buildings? Like say the twin towers?
But then with your almighty power you could crush us right? Sort of like you crushed Vietnam? Or maybe Iraq????
I remember my Dad telling me in the war how the Americans were a bunch of wimps who didn't do their fair share at Casino but took all the credit! Maybe you should educate yourself about how the world views America? It might be a revelation!!!? Ever heard the term "Ugly American"?

[GodLovesTheUSA]

Did you ever hear the term
United States of America currencty.

Lets get back to economics, which, from reading these forums, is something that Canadians do not understand. The Canadian beef industry has benefited greatly from the powerful USA dollars that buy their beef. That point was made clear when you see how much your price drops when the USA dollars are not there. Maybe you should stop your conspiracy thoughts towards the USA and start looking at reality.
More economic lessons for my socialist neighbors.
Once you become a supplier (which is what an exporting nation is) you need to know how important your product is to your customer. One of the great mistakes any businessman, or supplier, can make is this assumption. "My product is the best, They cannot do without it, The customer absolutely must have it."

A supplier is making a mistake if they think that they can not be replaced. The importance of Canadian beef to the American industry has been make evident during the past year. We do not need your beef at all. We are doing quite well with out it, thank you. Believe me, no one in the USA is suffering because we do not have Canadian beef on our tables.

Canadians do not know anything about economics. We do not need Canadian beef. WE ARE NOT SHORT OF FOOD.
WE DO NEED CANADIAN OIL AND ENERGY. Here you have something that we need. Any one in business would recognize that if you have something that your customer really needs and can not do without, that you have an economic advantage. THINK ABOUT IT. You need our dollars. We need your oil. Not your beef. We do not need your beef any more than you need ours.

I know--You are thinking. What an arrogant American. Well, maybe you Canadian beef producers are the arrogant ones when you continue to think that someone needs your beef or your beef industry. We don't.

As far as the American beef industry supplying some of Eastern Canada, we will probably loose that market because of the cheaper beef supply from Western Canada. Fair enough. At least we do not feel that we can not be replaced.

Dealing with market necessities. Why don't you do without American built pickup trucks. AmAmerican built tractors, and American built combines. The answer is--You will do without them if you can. However the point right now is that you need what the USA blesses you with, and so you buy it. You may think Americans are arrogant. Just look at yourselves.
Do you know how the USA would be effected if you boycotted medicines, cars and technology that you have access to and are blessed by. The answer is hardly at all. Canadians are small potatoes. The city of New York has almost much population as Canada does. Don't get me wrong. We like our Canadian neighbors. Its just your guys are such small potatoes. And you go around in your self righteousness, thinking you are a great country. Sorry. You are small time. Really. Think about it. The only thing that you have going for you is energy and fresh water.

You have the right as a country to have gays and lesbians marry each other. You have the right to say it is OK to have "soft drugs" decriminalized. The next step was to make safe houses for Heroin addicts. Probably the next thing will be to make the bible illegal in your schools because it speaks out against homosexuality. You can go soft on terrorists and next will be legalizing sibling marriage. At the pace you are going you should be reconsidering your position on pedophiles before 2008. You have the right as a county to turn your backs on God, and forget about what is right and wrong and pursue a course of fairness and tolerance. You also have the right as a country to collectively face the consequences.

What you can not get into your socialist heads, is that Americans just do not need your beef, and we do not need your politicians. Quit your complaining, and looking for conspiracies, and face reality.

[cowman]

I don't know why I do this....? You are funny!
A few facts.... Yes we do need you...as you need us! After all most of the world hates you with a passion! we are brothers...same people basically same race!
You do not do anyone a service by ripping us but I understand you are trying to get the ball rolling. Which is okay it wakes people up!
First and foremost we are no different than you! One thing you personally need to do is check out your religiuos beliefs because you are out in left field! Next thing is to explore why you have this big problem with homosexuality and drugs?
I suspect you are young and have little knowledge of either? Educate yourself and try not to let your religious biases cloud your vision!(I can't believe I have to defend this sort of thing!There goes my reputation as a redneck!) I have to ask you this.. do you belong to some sort of fundalmentalist church!

[GodLovesTheUSA]

cowman
My main concern is with the blindness of Canadian producers as to what is happening with their world. They tend to blaim everything on some one else. Maybe there are more reasons.
You asked about churches. Even here in the USA we have a problem in our mainstream churches that are struggling. The Episcopalian church has rumours that some congregations are willing to ordain homosexuals.
The point is
History shows that when a government or country turns their back on God and his clear commands, they will fail.
Communist Russia for example.
Countries that are Christian are the engine for prosperity all over the world. The Arab oil countries may appear to be an exception. However in those countries the wealth is distributed among a few, with the majority just getting by. It is safe to say that the Christian God Fearing countries have the most prosperity.
Is this a coincidence or a fact.
If this is a fact, that true properity comes from God, and following his commands, then turning away from those commands and turning away from God will have a negative effect on our economies.
That is what is happening in Canada at an alarming rate. The separation of Church and state does not necessarily mean a separation from right and wrong.
It is one thing to tolerate gays and lesbians. I for one, do not understand why God speaks out so strongly on this issue, but in the past great tradegy has befallen countries where homosexuality was rampant.
It may be possible that the sins of homosexuals has allowed the scurge of Aids to become rampant. Aids is spreading like yeast throughout the world. There are consequences for turning away from God. I do not think that God sent Aids to punish the gays and lesbians. I think rather that God's hand of protection was keeping this disease away, and that the sins of a few caused Gods hand of protection to lift, and we suffer from it.
I not need to understand it, I have seen enough of the bible that is true to be concerned about the present situation, here in the USA and in Canada.
For a reference you might want to check
http://www.fotf.org or
http://www.fotf.ca
How can you tell me that things are getting better. Do you not see life getting harder each year. Do you not see the moral fibre of both of our countries declining at a rapid rate. Are you blind to see that maybe there is a relationship between moral decay, turning away from God's way and declining economies.

This is not a religious forum. The people that contribute to this forum tend to be more intellectual. I am not sure that this is the place for this discussion. I just see a relationship between Chistianity and prosperity. I think that you might have to study modern Russia to find out how hard it is to get an economy rolling without the guidelines of Christian Values. The Canadian government is abadoning Christian values. Like the focus on the family website states, In almost every situation in Canada, Christian values have lost politically against social concerns and minority rights.

[jensend]

If people that contribute to this forum tend to be intellectual why do you keep writing? And cowman keep on typing.

[GodLovesTheUSA]

cowman
I response to your comments that the USA and Canada need each other.
This is part of the problem with Canadian beef producers right now.
check out this USA website
http://www.ita.doc.gov/
International Trade Administration (ITA)

You will not see Canada mentioned on the home page or linked to from the home page.
If however you search for Canada quite a bit comes up.
The point I am trying to make is that the United States Of America is quite important to the exporting nation of Canada. Sorry, Canada is not in our thoughts and minds as much. I mentioned elsewhere that the Canadian beef industry is about as important to us as the Prince Edward Island beef industry is to Albertan producers. You just do not think about it on a day to day basis.
I am not trying to be demeaning to Canadians. Its just that I have been hearing about conspiracies and strategies that Americans have against Canadians. Sorry. We just do not think about you that much. Your problems do not consume us on a day to day basis. If you think that the border will open up to the US soon, you might be mistaken. The administrations here have bigger fish to fry. It just amazes me that Canadian beef producers think that the world should be concerned about their situation. Everyone has their own problems to deal with. No one is taking joy from your BSE problems, but it is not our problem.
The overwhelming attitude of Canadian beef producers is that the world needs their wonderful beef. And to that extent their wonderful wheat. Nonsense. To most of the world its just what can we get that is cheap. Sorry guys. Unless you socialists can learn some of these realities you are going to have a tough time.

[jensend]

sorry, my son wrote that last one - i'll write for myself

[cowman]

Sir: Now I can see where you are coming from, finally! I do agree with a lot of what you say! But you must understand that we live in THIS world! I am a fellow believer who ascribes to your basic philosphy! It does not do anyone any service to ascribe to these wild speculations! We are one people.... Gods people!!! If our various governments do outrageous things it is not of us! Do you think I really want to see gays running around doing their thing? That's just the way it is!!!
You must realize you are doing a disservice by expressing your views. People think you are a nut although you do it with the best intentions! Have some faith in that your Lord will make things right in the end! We are not Canadians or Americans in Gods eyes!!!

[jensend]

GodLovestheUSA - i don't think i have heard or seen here or anywhere else a canadian cattleman saying you can't get along without our beef; we do claim and i have heard Harlan Hughes agree that there is no better beef than north american fed beef. What we have said is that we want access to the american market as soon as possible and if the american government is saying canadian beef is safe we dont see why the border doesnt open. as far as homosexuals, dope and heroin (all activities i dont partake in) i dont think the canadian cattlemans assoc has brought them up or religion of the cattle for that matter. your biggest trading partner is canada (im not sure you realize that) on a dollar basis so i dont think youre subsidizing us (when you refer to the billions you send us every year). youre the person who has taken this debate to this level and if you look at your standing in the world perhaps you are out of step. take a trip and see how the rest of the world lives. it could be enlightening.

[GodLovesTheUSA]

cowman How True
I agree with you whole heartedly. I have never expressed by views like this before.
I am concerned about the recent (within the past week) events at your Federal Goverment. A vote taken reinforcing marriage as being between a man and a woman was voted down. Another vote protecting gays and lesbians from comments like I have just made past, and will become law.

I read this forum and there seemed to be some sentiments that your present beef situation was the result of actions taken by President Bush.

I was trying to point out that maybe there is a link between ungodly decisions being taken by your government and the finacial situation you now suffer.

I must say that Canada is important to me or I would not be concerned about these issues.
Its time to let someone else comment now. People will think that I have nothing else to do. I will be working till late tonite to catch up on work that I should have done today.

[cowman]

Sir: I have no doubt you speak out of conviction of your thoughts and I can't condemn you for that! I would tell you that most cattlemen in Canada are upright people that try to do the right thing! No different than any of you Americans! We do not make the policies that our politicians expouse!
I'm not going to rip you any further! You are expressing what you think is right and Lord knows maybe you are right! I do know that for myself I've always ascribed to a philosophy of live and let live! Maybe that is wrong but I guess if it is I'll answer for it in the future?

[CowsRus]

Cowman
I do not know about live and let live any more. Things are going to far. Did you read what this guy is saying. Pretty extreme HuH.
Live and let live is just what our tolerant society has been doing. The RCMP turban thing has not bothered me too much. It kind of died away. I was upset about that. However this gay lesbian thing is different. These guys are chewing away at the moral fibre of our country and the very definition of a family. I can tell you I am concerned.
Probably I am more concerned about the beef situation this fall. I am really wondering about it now that harvest is done.

[countryguy]

Yep.Live and let live is the exact reason that this country is the way it is.Nobody here has the balls to stand up for what they believe in anymore.Everyone is just too damn passive.Pathetic!

Just so you know Cowman I'm referring to the philosophy and not you personally.

[jensend]

on the other hand if you listen to GLTUSA he doesnt sound a whole lot different than the fundamentalist Muslims. its just that they each think they have God in a box and have interpreted the divine will differently. theres no doubt our govt doesnt represent us but whats the better form of govt we could choose. we just need to choose better representation or stand up ourselves. the linkage GLTUSA makes between Christianity and prosperity is odious and doesnt stand the truth test if he looks around at central am. countries.