Trump leaks about NAFTA

[grassfarmer]

No, not false. COOL was removed under Harper. Their government pushed for it.

Yeah, like pushing their way out of a wet paper bag. There were no big speeches threatening to cut off the oil or gas supply so no change from what you are accusing Trudeau of.

All we want is to rip up NAFTA so we can throw the Mexicans out and focus on Canada/US product....

Speak for yourself, I'd rather throw the Americans out and ally with Mexico. I want no part in this administrations racist, protectionist agenda. Besides they have already indicated that they are targeting Canadian livestock exports.

[15444]

Yeah, like pushing their way out of a wet paper bag. There were no big speeches threatening to cut off the oil or gas supply so no change from what you are accusing Trudeau of.



Speak for yourself, I'd rather throw the Americans out and ally with Mexico. I want no part in this administrations racist, protectionist agenda. Besides they have already indicated that they are targeting Canadian livestock exports.

Can't make threats over oil while NAFTA is in place, but I expect it to be fair game if it is reopened.

I am speaking for myself. Americans + myself = we. Fear not, I will never include a arrogant socialist Scotchman in my definition of 'we'. He will always be, 'them'.

[kato]

15444, respectively, you know that we in the cattle business have learned a lot about what it's like to be on the receiving end of American politics.

We learned years ago that Americans + us does not equal We. Not by a long shot. We used to think that way but learned the hard lesson very quickly when BSE hit. Trust this. .. there are elements of every business including the grain business who would love a one way border. Its only trade agreements that put a restraint on putting those opinions into action.

We learned that agreements are only lived up to when the U.S. is benefitting. Otherwise there are professional lobbyists lined up to influence their government to disregard what they agreed to. We cattle producers know this first hand. We've fought them for years. We've spent a lot of money and a lot of energy just to get them to follow the very agreements they signed on to.

And now we are dealing with a bully. Backed up by protectionist's.

This announcement is just the beginning. We won't be the only ones targeted. The only good thing for us to hold on to now is that we finally have alternative markets. In the future, dependence on the American market is not something we will want. The more alternative markets we have, the better.

[kato]

and it's not Scotchman. It's Scotsman. And a Canadian too. Whatever our differences of opinion may be, we should stick up for our own country before sticking up for the ones who are working against us.

We're looking at a long tough few years coming at us, and need to work together.

[grassfarmer]

The only good thing for us to hold on to now is that we finally have alternative markets. In the future, dependence on the American market is not something we will want. The more alternative markets we have, the better.

Some good points kato - the problem is what we want as producers isn't necessarily what we get as long as we have one Brazilian and one American packer. Unless they decide to pursue them there are no alternative markets. Thus far they have shown no desire to pursue other markets to any extent. I guess they don't even need too when they are able to discount the live cattle they purchase.

[perfecho]

IMO, there is no retaliating with gas and oil, that is much of the problem, they have enough of their own.
In some theories, the opposition to much of the pipelines is being paid for by US firms, to make sure it doesn't happen...they do not want Canada to have access to tide water shipments...they want that market.

[ag-boy]

I agree with kato ! we got rid off cool , we see wat trumps adviser let him do the issue on wto deal he dictate ,s a lot but already listen to his appointed helpers I may call it so simply to happen.
Justin was big friend hillarly may have to try to get along with trump !
he will he gets along with every body ! even his friend dictater fidell .

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