Nero Cowboys

[Horse]

Cowman I still have the poop on Public lands on file but I tryed to find it on gov web site but they seem to have hid it pretty good . But this is what I have A lease at 650$ rent nets $75000 in resourse rev another $30000 nets $400,000 not to bad.there are 5700 lease holders in prov app 1/2 get anual resourse rev in excess of the fees and taxes paid you may be able to geta cpy of Tom Thurbers report on Agricultral Dispositions Statutes Amendment Act BILL 31 released in nov 1999 or the ACC An Economic Analysis of the costs and returns Associated with the Use of Crown Grazing Dispositions in Alta 1976 to 1996 they charged me $20 for the report but it was money well spent If I had an address I could mail the gov documents that seem hard to get at source.

[cowman]

So how do you see this solution being resolved Horse? And please don't just say "kick them off those leases" because these people do have money invested with the probable expectation that they would get some exploration money.
The courts have ruled that a grazing lease is real property and any expropriation must reflect the true value of said lease. I think you would agree it is not fair to change the rules in the middle of the game?

[Horse]

I would say charge a fee comprable to private leases. In the agreement it says the minister has the right to cancel at any time.Any money in the lease should be in fencing only the other improvements are already paid by the crown mostly in the form of free rent until you are paid back for any expenduters. And in some cases even the fences are paid by crown. Just to show how stupid these leases are did you know a holder can even sell sand and gravel but if you want to cut a tree you need permission from crown. If the leases were put up for bid at the renewal times they would soon reflect true value. If people paid too much tough I have over paid for things and the govmt didnt come running to pay me off. All I am asking is fair treatment I dont see how giveing 6000 lease holders a sweetheart deal is helping the industry or those that have to sell in the same market. As for buying a lease why would I buy something that is not legaly for sale they are assignable and of course if I gust hapened to give someone a feww thousand so they would assign to me it is not technicaley ilegal.

[cowman]

Well I do believe leases have been declared "real property" by the courts? I believe that is why Ralph Klein had to back down?
I'm not real up on it as I never had any desire to own a lease but I have done work on oil leases within grazing leases. And quite frankly I don't see any millionaires...just regular old cowmen trying to make a living! Now these leases are sort of swampy and lots of trees but they can really grow grass in the open spots!
I guess it doesn't much matter anymore because I doubt the system in place will change. Klein pretty well got whipped in the last fiasco and I doubt we'll ever see a politician touch this one again?