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    #11
    First Pandiana - I do have confidence in gene marker testing. I agree that the ability to identify an actual gene is quite valuable. For example there are currently 2 tenderness gene tests available to industry. In combination the 2 genes seem to account for a large degree of differences in tenderness and they appear to act independently of influencing other traits.
    I think the letpin test is useful, I don't however agree with the way it is being marketed as a solution to our marbling challenges. Leptin controls fat deposition, not marbling specifically, although it does provide a useful tool to manage feeding regimes. I am also pretty interested in how it relates to body condition, and fertility in cows because it controls fat, but no one has really gotten to the stage of investigating that yet, that I am aware of.
    This leads to nerves question...
    I think that homozygous TT cattle will in general put on more marbling with the same management as CC cattle. I also think that they will tend to give up some in the yield category. Depending on your market this may be good, bad or indifferent. I would like to see all breed associations collect as much marker data as possible on all markers and include it in their evaluations combined with field and research data. I know of a couple of breeds that are on the verge of doing this, and some that have used their research data to validate gene markers (basically using there data to prove that the gene actually impacts the trait it is advertised to impact). For example the American Simmental used their extensive shear force database to validate the tenderness genes for calpain and calpastatin.
    not sure if this really answers your question. Obviously older cattle (eg: backgrounded then finished) should exhibit higher levels of marbling, however they should also produce larger carcasses. The key is going to be identifying what cattle do what things well, so that producers can mix and match to get the desired results.

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      #12
      Forgot to mention.
      It is highly likely that TT bulls with low backfat are also seeing the influence of several other genes. Remember leptin only explains a portion of the variation in fat deposition.
      For example the gene star marbling gene, appears to be more specific to marbling than to fat in general, however it only accounts for a portion of the variation.
      Clear as Mud...
      I'll use an Angus example. The US Angus has a huge carcass data set. Many of the sires represented in this data have been tested for Gene Star marbling (GSM). There are sires at the very height of the breed for marbling that are 0 star for marbling. How can this be? GSM only accounts for a portion of the variation. These elite marbling sires, may have positive combinations of other genes that positively override the lack of GSM to produce positive results.
      Does this mean the marker test has no value?
      Definitely not. The test explains a large portion of the variation in marbling and is a useful tool, in combination with other tools.
      This applies to all gene markers.

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        #13
        Ok Sean I see we are saying the same things but you are better at explaining them than I am. I am wondering how many of thease gene marker sires have had ultasound done them as well as leptin testing, or how do they determine this status (I am not familar with this but have heard about it). I have seen a few bulls in our breed (about 10 charolais) that have tested tt, but have not seen any ultasound results on them. I am more interested in ultasound on them to determine backfat measurements. Like you saying a bull with 2mm and a bull with 7mm may test the same on leptin but I would use the 2mm long before the 7 because management may have had an influence on the marbling. Then learning to read ultasound is another key factor most of us have just got EPDs figured out then throw all this other stuff at them, they leave scrathing their head I have seen this many times at bull sales. So you are sometimes better off to just to keep your mouth shut.In another thread a fellow talked about cow freshners and he is right. It is hard to keep up with technolgy. The Calgary Stampede puts on a Carcass evaluation seminar This is good place to start well worth the money, if you are into cattle. Thank you for your input sean it has helped me clarify some things I was not sure of.

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