Unfair?

[cowman]

Linda: What happens when the oil runs out?...I would suggest to you that long before you(or maybe even I) are gone there will be very many alternative sources of energy? The "oil age" is rapidly coming to an end and could be replaced at any time if there was the "will"to do it? Unfortunately in this world, money calls the shots?
On another note... I hear a rumor you are running in Div. 5 for councillor...any truth in that?

[wd40]

Iwould hope that before someone runs as a local politician they would take a trip around and get a reality check.

For one the only reason there isn't wide spread use of alternative fuels and ouils is because the oil companies want to use up what is here.
SEcondly, no one really knows for sure how much world oil there is. It's all conjecture. It may be replenishing it self as fast as we use it.

[bombay_43]

Perhaps a visit to this site, will enlighten those who want to know more about the Quebec Farmers Union.

Dolin, it is my understanding, that it was a voluntary union not too long ago. Is this true? I have read that over 95% voluntarily signed into this union.

http://www.upa.qc.ca/eng/index_flash.asp

[dolin]

if we don t pay ,we don t have 70 per cent return taxes of school and municipality.so we don t have a choice.

[ivbinconned]

%70 return of property tax if we all belong to the same organization! What a blessing that would be in Saskatchawan where we pay the highest property taxes in Canada.
Doesn't sound like divide and conquor to me which is the way we do things in the west.

Another site we can use to find out how things work in Quebec is www.financiereagricole.qc.ca

However you need to be able to read French...can anybody here do that???

[cakadu]

One of the reasons that alternative fuels are not popular is because of their high cost - still well over $1/litre, so they are not economical from that standpoint.

Alternative fuel production would be an example of how to get some activity back into the rural areas and help with rural development. A company that is making a canola or soy based fuel, for example, generally has it's plant within a 150 km radius of its source.

The bio-based economy is going to bring a much needed injection into the rural economy.

Big companies like Shell, for example, have invested in alternative fuels, so there are some big dollars going into this type of research.

Cowman, in answer to your question - yes.

[ivbinconned]

Cakado; you said there is more to consider than oil or money...yes you are right. Here is the perspective of another Canadian not happy with a Canada that he can not have one bit of influance on because he is from the West.

What is Fascism? To quote Mussolini " Nothing outside the state,above the state,against the state, everything to the state, for the state, in the state." Sounds kind of like what Canada has become. No property rights, state control of the methods of self defense, confiscatory taxes about 60-70% of gross income. They have risen 1380% since 1961 according to the Fraser Institute. State managed food production. Forty to fifty per cent of all people working for the state in one way or another. Severe erosion of individual rights by the state. Every facet of your life controllled and taxed in some way by the state. Three million people in Alberta and the ROC bear a burden and must comply with over 400,000 pages of laws rules and regulations of our lives. People are locked up for selling their own property. People are locked up or fined for expressing their opinion. The media is under strict state control. Witness CHOI FM in Quebec. Witness people being locked up for speaking inside a bubble zone around abortuary's. Witness election gag laws. All Albertans have had to register their wells and dugouts with the government, and have been told by Ralph Klein that the government owns their water. When will men and women of Liberty Stand Up ... Soon I hope.----IF YOU HAVE NOT SUFFERED ENOUGH IT IS YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SUFFER SOME MORE.------

[cowman]

Good for you, Linda. Good luck.
Got to agree with you ivebinconned! Get awful sick of the government telling me everything I've got to do, so I won't be a burden on the state! Example" I must wear a seatbelt because if I get injured it will cost medi-care too much to treat me! Or can't smoke because I'll cost the welfare state too much...don't smoke but would like to make my own darned choice!
Medi-care took away a lot of our personal freedoms and further advanced the cause of the nanny state!
Another thing that really bugs me is I have to be "politcally correct" or else! Can't speak what you believe anymore...mustn't offend you know? So if you have a belief that abortion is murder you sure had better not say it, as you might offend the murderers!
Or this totally foolish idea that everyone can do any job? So you get some little bit of a girl going to be a roughneck on a service rig? Absolutely ridiculous! And yet you can't state the obvious or the "thought" police will be after you!
This is turning into one silly country.

[cakadu]

Thanks cowman.

[cakadu]

Based on what you have quoted, ivbin, then this person is not happy with Alberta either. Going to leave Alberta too?

Don't get me wrong, I am just as concerned as the next person about where all of this has gone and what I see happening. I just don't see the solutions the same way that some others do. I also don't see that doing something as extreme as walking away will do very much more for us either. Label me what you will, but I just don't see going from one extreme to the other as something that will be of benefit.

I also feel that the new "Blame Ralph" campaign of the Alberta Alliance is a little off. Shouldn't they be looking at all the people who keep electing Tories time after time? Ralph couldn't do what he does if he wasn't in power.

Politics is never pretty and in many instances no matter what is decided, someone will be unhappy. All in all, I believe we need to be grateful for a lot of what we do have.