Horse meat or beef? Whats best??

[cswilson]

Ohhh bet u had team ropers there-you can always tell a team roper not much but you can always tell one-our branding crews are pretty much invite only and if you are rough on cattle you get asked to put your horse away and are not asked back. With a.i.ing and such I get to work with just about every management and handling system-I'll take a set of ranch cows worked off a horse any day. The absolute cows to handle are the old' we just bait them with chop kind'. Everybody in the cattle business should be taking a bud williams or dylan biggs clinic and putting it into practice-it will only make you money to learn how to handle cattle right and those two guys can sure teach you how.

[cswilson]

Ohhh bet u had team ropers there-you can always tell a team roper not much but you can always tell one-our branding crews are pretty much invite only and if you are rough on cattle you get asked to put your horse away and are not asked back. With a.i.ing and such I get to work with just about every management and handling system-I'll take a set of ranch cows worked off a horse any day. The absolute cows to handle are the old' we just bait them with chop kind'. Everybody in the cattle business should be taking a bud williams or dylan biggs clinic and putting it into practice-it will only make you money to learn how to handle cattle right and those two guys can sure teach you how.

[kato]

Team penners, same thing. I think that sport should be changed so the guys who can pen up the most cattle without breaking out of a walk should win!

I much prefer to watch a good cutting competition. Now that's poetry in motion.

As for the quad/horse thing, even though quads are nice to have around the yard, a quad won't watch your back. Last year my neighbour got stampeded by a bunch of heifers that ran right over him and his quad, and laid him up for most of the winter. He couldn't get out of the way fast enough. A good horse would have seen it coming.

[cswilson]

We get asked all the tme to team pen-my standard reply is I've spent 10 years teaching my kids to not run cattle through the fence. We take pride in doing things right not fast.

[cswilson]

One other thing that makes my blood boil is if someone shows up to help sort cattle and brings their 'good dog'. The first thing I tell them is to put the @#$#%$#@#$ Dog in their pickup and keep it there !

[grassfarmer]

I guess it's horses(or quads or dogs)for courses. I've never worked cattle with horses, never owned a quad bike (i'm too cheap ;o)). I walk through my stock daily with my dog and my cows are used to that. We can bring 100 pairs out of the bush, across a river and into the corrals with little fuss. I've always thought that if you are consistant with stock they understand you and don't get spooked when you try to corral them. I passed a neighbour the other day who was struggling to get some big old Charolais cows out of a field - chasing them with 2 quads, and two men on foot - it was like the CM Russell painting "the stampede". The corrals he was trying to get them into contained the cows usual water trough - it looked simpler just to have shut the gate the night before and let them into water quietly the next morning. I guess we sometimes miss the wild west!

[grassfarmer]

I always feel the 'path of least resistance' is best when working cattle. I don't use horses either and I sold my quad because it had been sitting in the shop for 10 years and I hadn't ridden it, so its me and the dog, and she is getting pretty old, but still watches the gates.
My neighbours use horses as they have done for years, so to each his own.

[InAHurry]

Have to agree - to each their own.
Except for the person who rides a horses mouth like the handle bars of a quad or the person who thinks a quad can turn like a horse or the poor dog (4-legged or 2) who is suppose to read her husband's mind ... LOL

[cowman]

Well I wasn't knocking anyone who uses a horse...just doesn't work for me. I agree with grassfarmers way of handling cattle for the most part. I do use a nice quiet quad to check cattle etc. and it doesn't take them very long to get used to it. You can ride right through them and they aren't disturbed...once they are used to it!
My pastures and land are all in one block so I hardly ever have a problem treating any animal, but I will admit at times it is the old rope and willow tree method! Actually I seldom ever have to treat anything out on the field or for that matter in a corral. I doubt I've used a full bottle of liquimiacin in the last several years. Now I will admit I'm not right up on my management! Don't ever wean calves until at least late December unless they are going right on the truck! Don't have scours or bad footrot...just don't have the bugs I guess? Haven't seen any pink eye for several years and most of the cows have good udders.
Over the years I've weeded out anything that gives me any grief...don't have any pets.
I guess my style of management is leave them alone and don't mess with them if you can help it. Might not be the most profitable way but sure cuts down on the wear and tear on me!

[WildwoodsDoc]

Seems that it is the people with some cows in their yards that won't be paying up their bills, whereas the people with the horses do pay up their bills, if they are registered horses. That has been my experience.

[WildwoodsDoc]

I totally agree with you. A well bred working cow horse doing the cutting is poetry in motion. And the cattle learn pretty fast who is in charge of the direction that they are meant to go. The thrill of being mounted on a really good cutter is a very great feeling for the inside of a rider who knows what he is doing on that horse.