Willowcreek/Oldtimer

[Willowcreek]

AMI has and will call the shots as far as trade with Canada and every other beef producing nation.
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And you're just happy and content to take whatever AMI, Tyson, and Cargil throw at you? Not me-- I will work to change their dominance and give the producer a bigger say in the cattle industry....

[Joe-2]

OT-"You have to remember that the US, if it was not importing unlimited amounts of beef, would not need an export market...We can consume what we produce.."
The part that seems to always escape you Oldtimer is, "We can consume what we produce.." BUT AT WHAT PRICE!!!!! The excess variety meats,(brisket,skirt,offal,etc)that our appetite for higher value cuts produces,are worth way more $$$ when they can be EXPORTED to consumers that will pay more for them than North Americans will.All those choice carcasses we consume in Canada and the US also produce other products that don't sell well here.We sell those products where they bring the most money.Brisket and skirt meat made up a large portion of what Japan was buying.We export that and bring in cheap lean trim to blend with all the fat trimmed from those choice carcasses.
Why is this trade picture so difficult for you to understand?? Or maybe you do understand it but are too caught up in doing the "R-calf Conga" to ever admit it!!LOL.
PS. Who is at the front of that conga line? Leo? Bill? Lawyers??

[rkaiser]

I have sold 11 animals in almost 2 years to the conventional marketplace, and those went to a Canadian owned packer.

I calve out over 200 head of cows and sell about 30 bulls a year.

Now tell me again that I am sitting back taking what Cargil and Tyson are prepared to give.

But I am not on a mission to destroy the livelihood of fellow ranchers just because they live a few hundred miles away.

Even though I will say again that Rcalf has accomplished nothing, they constantly attempt to make things the fault of Canadian ranchers.

Your agenda is old and stale you old fart. Find another way to save your producers and become a hero.

[farmers_son]

Willowcreek: I for one have no problem with your posts. You may or may not be an R-Calf supporter and although I think R-Calf is hurting the U.S. beef industry with some of their policy positions I realize that there are producers in the U.S. that think along the lines of R-Calf. I do not believe calling anyone names or insulting them ever helped them to change their thinking and opinions or opened any opportunities for dialogue.

I noted your remark "but I do know [Japan] cannot produce enough beef on their own and have to buy from somewhere- might as well be the US...."

Might as well be Canada too.

[cowman]

Well I have to agree with you farmers son...about the name calling thing. Randy gets fairly passionate at times.
Willowcreek: I don't know if you are an R-CALFER or not and don't really care. You see things from your perspective across the line and you lay it out here. I believe that is a good thing!
I have never held it against the American cattleman for trying to protect his market, however sometimes I think R-CALF needs to step back and consider their tactics? Lining up with radical animal rights groups and calling into question the safety of our meat supply might not be the smartest idea? I suspect both might come back to bite you in the butt?
Attended the local cattle sale and prices are starting to go up! A lot of these cattle are being bought by Americans. They intend to feed them right here due to the cheap grain and lots of pen space available. I suspect they will make a killing when that border opens March 7th? But even if it doesn't the economics of feeding cattle look good. I wonder if any of these Americans are R-CALF supporters? Would be sort of hypocritical if they were?

[rkaiser]

Excuuuuuuuuuuse me my respectful Canadian friends. I simply can't sit back and read about the tactics of a protectionist group of tunnel visioned Rcalfer's without a word or two, and yes cowman, I am passionate. Talk of diseased cattle and dumping, and subsidization, are simply out to lunch. We are simply trying to raise a healthy, nutritious product for the people of this world, just like most American cattle producers. To be blamed for their problems is too much for me to handle.

Be nice all you want you guys, and I will continue to be nasty once in a while. Life needs the ying and the yang.