time for a change

[Bez]

Randy

Should have quit while I was ahead ....

I am sure you know this - but want to be clear. This comment:

"By the way - if there is a place down here that is putting up 70 cents for a cull - tell me where it is. I have a bunch ready to go. Put up or shut up."

Was directed to Joe-2 NOT towards you.

Cheers

Bez

[Incognito]

And I thought I caused *hit!

Best

[dalek]

15444, the A grades, the highest, are the ones with the least fat on them. C grades have the most. The way Gencor explained to us, 90% of A grades are dairy, 70% of B grades are dairy and 30% beef, and almost 100% of C grades are beef.
They get paid the most for the leanest beef they can get, so they pay more for the cows that will produce that lean beef with the least amount of work. With the fattest cows, no amount of trimming will get enough fat out to produce lean beef, so they pay the least for those cows.

[dalek]

Bez

"But in Ontario it took all the commodity groups to get off their butts and start screaming at Ron Bonnett - OFA prez - before he paid attention. Now the saying down here is "ONE VOICE!"

As an OFA director, that's not at all fair to Ron Bonnett. I think you're giving him too much credit. It took grassroots producers screaming at each and every individual commodity and farm group to get them together as a group. There are some of us in each of those groups who have been trying to move this idea forward for years, but there have always been commodities enjoying (temporarily) good times who could see no reason to join with others at that time. It took a series of crises across the industry to put everyone on the same page, and it's going to take continued pressure (probably even blackmail) from producers to keep the momentum going. Case in point, the OSCIA is still promoting how great Nutrient Management is for farmers, and even in the last month I've heard grain-growing OSCIA directors telling livestock producers how happy we should be with the "trinkets and beads" the province has included for funding.

[Joe-2]

Here ya go Bez!!! Manitoba Ag's Market page. Who's got the numbers wrong you or them???

http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/news/markets/livestock/

Scroll down 'till you find the Ontario prices and get back to me.

I get a kick out of some of the reading on the Ont.Cattleman's Ass. website. Something about they were "concerned" that Ontario could become a "dumping ground" for cheaper western cattle!!! How "R-calf" of my fellow Canadian producers!!! Spare me!!

[angus1]

1964 - calves $1/lb - new pickup $1,500 2004 - calves $1/lb - new pickup $25000.
It's taken 40 years to get here. Have we finally reached the bottom or do we still have a way to go?
I don't have all the answers... but, as long as we feed meat to cattle, let dairies, feedlots, packers, have a voice in the beef industry, we're going down.
We vacinate, castrate, dehorn, deworm, shut the water and feed off at least a day before they go in the ring, and pay for the shrink "to boot". What's next? Maybe we should provide birth dates, and proper records of vacinations?
I think the tail is wagging the dog!
Don't dare suggest floor price... taboo!

[Bez]

Here is a copy of every sale barn in Ontario:

http://cattle.guelph.on.ca/markets/auctions.html

Visit them and look at all the numbers.

Avoid the stocker sales as they are usually so far out of date as to not be applicable - some are still from last year. Look at the week days.

I stand by my comments - I have never seen 70 cent culls roll onto the auction floor - if there is anyone reading from this area that sees it - tell me where - I am ready to dump the whole damn lot - look at the big picture - then you will see what I am talking about.

High/Low/Average is displayed for every place along with numbers of animals. You might want to keep this one for future reference.

Check out VanKleek - real big numbers there - huge. Lots of animals as well - exactly two beef animals. One bull and a few dairy. Will not be long and this area will be completely shut down.

Funny you should mention cheaper western cattle - there is a fellow here who ships all of his west - better pricing. Go figure.

Any comments on the remainder of what I said? Wrong? Right? Agree? Disagree?

Calling us R-CALFERS over something stated by "Who the hell knows who?. Sheesh.

If you think it's that good here, then come on down. There is damn fine operation less than 10 minutes drive from my house sitting empty. The machimery is still there and I bet you could get in for a song.

In fact if you are stirring for effect you have the exact response you wanted.

Dalek - read your comments - now I know where you are from. And yes, you are correct about your comments. We could still get our asses kicked if we do not keep up the pressure.

Outa here - this is the reason the beef industry is in trouble - lots who are ready to help the gov divide and conquer. Few who are ready to stand up and fight.

All those who moan and complain have to do, is look in the mirror to see where the trouble lies.

Bez

[15444]

Joe-2, most likely those cows that went for 54 cents and bulls for 92 cents were being purchased for breeding stock. I saw a lot of old cows purchased last fall at the local yards and Winnipeg for the .40-.45 cent range that were going into breeding herds.

Alot of commercial guys aren't too interested in buying young stuff, but if there is a possibility she's bred and she moves half decent, people will buy her.

[Joe-2]

Bez, Did you bother to look at the link I posted?? Are you saying that Manitoba Ag's numbers are not accurate?? Just because YOU didn't see any 70 cent cows go through it could not have happened right???
That page I posted has an archive feature on it and if anyone cares to look, Ontario prices have been significantly higher than our's all through this fiasco.

What about your $1.16 fats?????

You easterners crack me up!!!

FREE THE WEST!!!! LOL!!!

signed, Joe-2 PsD. (professional shit disturber)

[15444]

Joe-2,

Being that we share the same urge to stir the shit every once in a while, my guess on those $1.16 fats would be some half-brained Southern Ontario person buying pets. :P