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    #25
    JD6320, Did you look at the site, and or the archives??? If you did you will have noticed that it gives the price RANGE!!! IE- $0.80 to $1.20
    No need for weighted averages when you are comparing top end to top end.

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      #26
      Joe-2
      Yes Ilooked at the site, The weighted average gives a more realistic view of what producers are receiving, the weighted average for Ont on large frame choice was 92.75 for that same week with a top of 1.20,remember all it takes is one animal at 1.20 to sell to be recorded as such.What was the average price for western fats in the same catagory?

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        #27
        I also agree it's time for a change. We as producers across this country need to make some noise, pressure our politicians as much as possible, and take control of our industry. Support new producer-controlled packers. How about some border protests? Inform people heading south to not spend in the U.S. and encourage northbound Americans to go home. In areas where beef production is not as large as in southern Alberta, we need to become more visible to consumers. Another thing, stay out of Wal-Mart. Sure the prices are attractive, but all the proceeds head south. I would like some comment, and any suggestions on other ways to "get Active"

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          #28
          I agree with Bez, we are to blame. We could have the control if we wanted, as we have the cattle....can you beleive it...we have the acutal product that everyone else makes a living on..we can hold it back...shoot it...whatever! But no, we usually take it to an auction and let it go for what ever someone decides to pay for it....below cost, whatever. Great business plan! But hey, lets just wait until it gets better...

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            #29
            JD6320, You said,"Yes Ilooked at the site, The weighted average gives a more realistic view of what producers are receiving...."

            WRONG!!!! The only true comparison is top end to top end.That is the only way to be sure it is an apples to apples comparison. What difference would it make if only 1 animal sold for that $1.20 or 200 head sold for that? It still shows what the market will pay for top quality.Second rate cattle bring second rate prices wherever they are and always have.
            Why is it so hard to admit that cattle prices ain't that bad in the mighty liberal east??? Why all the attempts to spin the numbers???

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              #30
              Well, come back after a road trip and we're still wrangling over the price of cattle. EXACTLY where the buyers want us. Fighting among ourselves.

              Angus1 - wanna' floor price - national? I am for it. Want quota? I am for it. Want to take control of the industry? I am for it.

              All those who say no to this are either doing far better than most, or are not thinking beyond next week. Or hoping to expand cheaply - maybe at the expense of their neighbour. What about another year or two of what we have now?

              To all - Until you are desparate enough, you will do nothing but argue among yorselves. What you NEED to do is point the finger in the right direction.

              How many neighbours and friends and family go to Florida, California and Hawaii? How many buy those Yank goods in the store? When was the last time you spoke out against this?

              How many trucks of nice cheap, profit making cattle - your cattle - go into the plants every day? You seeing any of that money?

              Why are you not out there - giving the customer what HE WANYS - and taking those other off shore markets. Screw the Yanks and their border!

              You can bicker all you want, but it causes nothing but hard feelings and allows people like Joe to do what he seems to like best. Stir the pot, but offer absolutely no constructive suggestion other than "Free the west" - something I advocated for years while living in Alberta and Saskatchewan. I have since realized that is NOT the solution that will come in my lifetime.

              You wanna' make a difference? Hit them where it hurts. In the wallet. That is the only way - repeat the only way - you will get what you want. Nothing more and nothing less.

              There are ways. You just are not desparate enough. Yet. It's coming - you will be.

              Bez

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                #31
                Bez, I agree with you.

                And for those who slam the east, please go and spend some time in southern Ontario. You might learn something...

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                  #32
                  Been there and liked it a lot! Some of the best friends I ever made live there...although I tried very hard to talk them into moveing to Alberta, I was told to go freeze to death! It's very easy to try and divide each other into "teams" "provinces" "regions" "professions" etc...
                  Competition is a good thing, cat-fights are not. We all have skills, talents, opinions and ideas to contribute and while I don't promote that it ever will be a completely harmonious, perfect world nor should it be, I do think there are times when it is easier to simply say I want to be separated from everyone rather than accept the challenge of finding a way to work with someone that you don't entirely agree with. That is a reward indeed. Have a good day all!

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                    #33
                    HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Blah Blah Blah about everything BUT the 30 cent/lb. difference in price between AB. and Ont. fats. What's the matter? Why all the diversion ?
                    Which Ontario politician was it,shortly after May 20,that stated that Ontario should be considered separate from the west as far as BSE was concerned??? The provincal AG. Minister???
                    And then you accuse me of not wanting to work together!!!!! hahahaha! I'm just some dumb redneck with a computer, not an elected representative of the people!!!!!
                    You people slay me!!!!

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                      #34
                      Interesting discussion to say the least. ON is a different kettle of fish than AB, however so is SK. Part of the price differential is cattle is likely due to the basis or freight whatever you want to call it. Also, there are several provincial/regional plants in Ontario (some of fairly large size) and a relatively large Federal Kill plant (relative to the cattle population). This combined with a close and large urban population means that cattle should trade slightly higher than they do in the west. If you check CanFax from week to week, you will also see that this applies to feeder cattle in MB vs. AB and actually even between auction markets within AB. Those furthest from the feeding industry will typically have a reduction in bid price to compensate for freight.
                      There are a lot of good producers in ON. Some graze cattle year round, and nowadays many have several hundred head of cattle. Compared to our area of AB the land base cost to run cows is actually cheaper. I saw some land this fall that is trading for only about 25% more than at home and it will run a heck of a lot more cows than the 15 per quarter for 5 months many of us calculate our costs on.
                      I think if ON producers can command a good price for their product, and take advantage of their proximity to markets then KUDOs to them. More of us just need to figure out how to put ourselves in the same position.

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                        #35
                        Joe-2

                        You are correct in your statement that a politician from here wanted to divide to east from the west - for commodity protection purposes.

                        But ... You did not mention the farm groups immediately jumped to the defense of the west and decried it as completely unacceptable.

                        Any comments about how we the producers were on your side?

                        I looked at your numbers - did you look at mine? All of them?

                        As for slaying - well, we work together here - at least we are trying. What are you doing? Besides crying over something none of us have any control over.

                        Pretty weak.

                        Bez

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                          #36
                          Bez,you said,"As for slaying - well, we work together here - at least we are trying. What are you doing? Besides crying over something none of us have any control over."
                          I simply point out the huge difference between Ontario and Alberta prices and that is CRYING???? Ya OK.As far as the comments by your politician go,yes to your credit,they were quckly condemned.BUT, that initial knee jerk comment does demonstrate the underlying attitude of the east towards the west.
                          What am I doing?? Trying to survive this fiasco,just like everyone else.
                          Here's a hypothetical scenario for you......Let's pretend that I won the lottery and bought a fleet of 20 Peterbilts with cattle pots.Then I started buying fats at 90 cents out here and hauling them to Ontario where I got $1.20 for them. 30 cents a pound on a 50,000 pound load is 15 grand per load difference.Pretty good profit even after expenses.Would you be "fer it or agin' it"??? How long would it take for SOME Ontario producers to start crying FOUL??? Or start "crying" about Ontario being a dumping ground for "cheap western cattle"???
                          Why is this not happening for real???
                          I travel the trans-Canada highway quite often and have yet to see ANY loaded East-bound cattleliners.WHY?????????
                          Maybe I just missed them, but if this was happening in any significant volume I would think that there would not be such a huge price difference(30 cents) when historicly that differnce has been less than 10 cents. So what's the deal???

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