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    #11
    Cattleman2: I appreciate your comments. Those are valid questions and ones that need to be answered. I see the solution as creating an environment where the packers have to compete to purchase our live cattle, which I believe they have not had to do up to now.

    You mentioned "tyson/cargill/XL" plants. And that their job is to source cattle for processing at the least cost to the plant. Actually the “job” for these plants is to maximize shareholder value and they have been very good at that. It needs to become our job to maximize value for the producer. Most would agree that the big packers have been fixing live cattle prices at artificially low levels to maximize their returns. That is something we need to influence and to extent possible stop.

    Producer packing plants are not the only way to improve the nearly pure competitive environment producers find themselves in. I have been suggesting that producers need to quit competing with themselves by forming alliances and seeking other methods of cooperation. A viable option is to put organize to pressure government for policies that discourage packer monopolies. The packers presently enjoy their monopoly position directly as a result of various federal government regulations that allow the packer monopoly to flourish. Restrictions on inter-provincial trade of non federally inspected beef is one example. CFIA regulations tend to encourage large scale plants that only the majors can afford and discriminate against smaller producer scale plants. Just a couple of examples...

    I am not looking to supply management as a solution although I would point out that pre BSE the supply of beef in this country was managed by federal allocation or non allocation of import permits over the TRQ. It never has been a “free market”. The federal governments of both the U.S. and Canada continue to “manage” the importation of beef through various tariff and non tariff barriers. I am envisioning a North American solution rather than a Canadian solution so any suggestions need to be something the U.S. producer would buy into.

    Producer packing plants do exist in the United States more than in Canada, we are just getting started on this side of the border. They are one possible solution. Just what the successful model will be is still being developed and there is a learning curve associated with anything new. They certainly should not be ignored as a solution or discarded outright as being socialist or union. We need to consider any and all options to see returns to the producer improve because the present situation is not sustainable through another generation.

    As an individual producer there are options to avoid selling into a non functional marketplace. However if you are taking an industry wide point of view then solutions must be found to restore or create a functioning, working viable market for live cattle. Our free enterprise system depends upon functioning markets to fairly distribute wealth throughout the economy. When monopolies are in a position to fix prices to their advantage the marketplace and the free enterprise system is threatened. Without competition all else fails.

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      #12
      According to USDA market reports, farm share of retail beef price ranged between 40 and 52 cents per retail dollar. Or you can say the rest of the value chain took 48 to 60% of the value. Most of the time over ½ the value at a time when U.S. producer was enjoying unusual prosperity. You don’t have to go very far back in the charts to see when producers got 65%.
      I have a friend in retail who says he begrudges beef the counter space because he only averages 15% gross margin. His beef mostly comes in Cargill boxes from a Cargill salesman.
      Can a producer owned plant get back to that 65% share? Can they at least maintain the 52% share? Stability makes it a lot easier the fill out those annual reviews the bankers like.
      Unfortunately, another myth going around these days is that you can make a minimal investment in a packing plant ($500 - $2500?) and change the future of your whole operation. How can you expect the price of a set of tires to give you that kind of return?

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        #13
        Very thoughful insights from all. I certainly don't have a solution.
        Personally I favor the BIG C idea of a producer funded plant that captures all of the available value of our product?
        However for that to happen we need a government that will take the bull by the horns and make it possible? And I really don't know if that is possible?
        Have we sold out that right, by signing such things as NAFTA?
        But wait a minute...who are we? Don't we have a right to see our citizens prosper? Or did we give up that right when we signed NAFTA?
        This whole globalization garbage was supposed to benifit us all? Or was it really supposed to benifit just a chosen few?

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          #14
          The point I was trying to make about the BIG C is that if there is any extra value being captured it is only for those shareholders in that plant...just like tyson/cargill, not the whole supply chain so is the marketplace really any better?

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            #15
            Well I think BIG Cs plan was that anybody who sold cattle would recieve a proportionate share in the plant? So have a checkoff on every animal sold and you get so many shares/points? At the end of the year you get a dividend based on the number of animals you sold...of course after the plant was paid off? Of neccessity this checkoff would be mandatory for every animal going to the plant. The concept was for a cow plant not a fat plant. I have no problem with shutting corporations out of the cull cow market...where were they the last two years? When the little local pirates and XL were paying 10 cents for cows and reaping massive profits, they gave up their right to participate in the cull cow business? If they want cow carcasses they could buy them from a BIG C cull cow plant? I believe all cull cow buyers gave up their right to participate in the cow market by their blatant ripoff of the last couple of years?
            The neccessity of government protection for any new plant is very apparent when you see how Cargill/IBP operate? They have been charged numerous times in the past with using predatory business practices against small competitors?
            Unfortunately the only ones who have the power to curb their excesses are the feds and I don't see any willingness there?
            A monopoly by a single corporation or a combination of like minded pirates is not real free enterprize? The role of any government is to protect the interests of the people and not to sell their souls to corporations bent on raping the people?
            In reality the packers aren't the only pirates...the retail sector is probably just as guilty? Safeway, Sobeys, Walmart also are in on the **** of both primary producers and consumers.
            Of course this BIG C plant is unlikely to ever happen as our spineless government knows who butters their bread and when our own ABP delegates consider it some sort of radical communist plot? The fact that the lowly peasant might recieve a fair return for his investment/time/labor just doesn't jive with their philosophy of how the world should work!

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              #16
              ...funny thing about the federal government...they have no problem spending millions of dollars of taxpayers money on the CBC to set up their own agenda...just had a look at the ABP website ...culls up to 52...the cattle association just sat back and let the system(no system) rip us off...

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                #17
                ...watched the Canadian Satelite Auction at noon...culls were 40 cents... thats a far cry from the 52 on ABP site...

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                  #18
                  I watched all the culls sell through Rimbey on Tuesday - report says D1s were 38-44 cents, well I guess there weren't any D1s because I didn't see anything make 38 cents. Can't believe everything you read!

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