South American beef

[redhen]

This attitude doesn't exist only in politics. It also exists in private industry and in non-profits, where the head office is in the east.

I was born Winnipeg-neutral, and have lived in Ontario and now Alberta. There is a completely different mind-set here - a sense of limitless possibilities instead of staid "United Empire Loyalist" homage to outdated processes. It is an insidious cancer, for which "amputation" (separation) may be the best recourse.

[wilagro]

Separation is NOT the answer. You pipples are being stampeded into believing that line of BS like a flock of 'turkeys'.

Why would you believe what is written by some obscure writer anyway?

This constantly repeated conjecture of 'eastern motives' is getting really, really tiring.

[ivbinconned]

Ignorance is bliss!

[cowman]

wilagro: If not seperation, then what? The status quo?
We've tried just about everything available, from a proposed triple E senate to forming a party to better our lot in confederation? Results...ZERO!
As long as Ontario and Quebec can vote out any kind of reform we literally are a colony of the east and they can make whatever laws suit them? This is democracy... which in reality is mob rule!
The majority decide they want your oil they vote to take it and voila they have it! They decide you are going to provide your grain to the benifit of the east and they get it via the CWB! You live in the west, you are too stupid to sell your grain, but as soon as you cross the border into Ontario you get smart enough to market your own product? What is that?
Do you enjoy driving on cruddy roads while the Frenchmen get theirs paved...at your expense?
You are old enough to remember the days when most of the feeder calves went east to be fed on western barley? Now how was that possible? Well it turns out you were paying the freight on both calves and grain! Before NAFTA just about everything we produced went east and everything we bought came from the east!
Did you know that there were two Eatons catalogues back in the days they still operated? One for the west and one for the east, with two sets of prices? The western prices were of course higher...higher than the freight would have cost!
I could go on for a week but I think you get my point? You can either be a colonist or you can stand up and be a free man, the choice is totally yours.

[wilagro]

cowman: Not convinced that your position is valid.

[ivbinconned]

Not "valid"??

Wilagrow...you tend to dismiss any and all suggested Western reactions to the decades of contempt the Liberals and their leaders repeatedly show towards western Canada, other than that we should just continue to take our licking.

I note you never offer any ideas...just take cheap shots at those of us that do. Com'on humor us .... give us some of your solutions...if you have any.

But before you do take note of history...at least 9 different western political initiatives since the thirties, set out, in part, to address the inequities of CON-federation.

But all you can do is insult those who feel there is cause for concern...not only do you need vitimum B...you need to smell the coffee!

[wilagro]

Uve: Good point. I am not in love with the frickin' Liberals but my grandpappy wasn't either. He joined the Liberal party back in the '20s and went to Ottawa as a delegate. He maintained that if one desires change then join the party and work from within rather than squawk away with nobody really listening. I believe he had a valid point there.

We live in a democracy, why not use our democratic privileges for our own betterment.

Gotta go...

Later

[cowman]

wilagro: We tried that with the Mulrooney government? Pretty well solid support for the PCs from Alberta...it didn't work?
Now you are suggesting we should support the Liberals, to see if that works? Or maybe we should be voting for the NDP as they seem to be calling the shots these days?

[ivbinconned]

Because I don't want to keep repeating history.

Your granddaddy was wrong even though his heart was in the right place. We can not continue to deny the truth our reason shows us!

This is a matter of math, clear and simple!!

Cowman is right and so is Byfield. The Mulrony government demonstrated one very clear fact and that is this. There are more Toronto area MP's than there is in British Columbia.

Any government that is formed with a large component of western MPs will still be out numbered in caucus and therefore the inner circles.

Democracy like ours is really MOB rule and the Lieberal$ exploit this fact brilliantly. You want a real democracy...advocate a constitutional republic with a triple E senate or separate. Separate or Surrender that is the choice...your 70 years have proven that!