How would you canadians handled the "BSE" crisis if the beef market was in canada & 4cases of BSE was found here in the states causing billions of dollars of your exports to diminish,some of which will never be recovered............good luck
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... as an individual cattle producer i can only tell my beef producer reps my opinion... we can b.s. around the bush as much as you like...but our govts will dictate what the rules will be and if you haven't noticed they pretty well have...maybe we should have been like you guys and did a better job of the shoot,shovel and shutup...by the way ...just curious but from reading on ranchers net it seems to me your feeder market as held steady to higher...why is that...
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I guess I would have done exactly what I have for the past three years.
Continued to raise the best beef cattle that I possibly could and put groceries in my wifes cupboard.
Do you really think that Canadian producers would have had any more control over the situation than you did? Don't kid yourself Haymaker, Rcalf had nothing to do with the border being closed or when it would be opened again. You and your Rcalf pals have been used like a spare tire by your packer led USDA. Made for good fun watching producers bash producers while the only ones benefitting sat back and laughed.
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FRENCHMAN-"Maybe if R-Calf had pushed for a believable testing program In the U.S they would be open for bizness with the Japanese"
frenchman- Which US cattle organization called for the USDA to allow Creekstone and the independent packers to test everything? To test for the Japanese market?
Which organization questioned USDA's testing procedure and tests?
Which organization came out from day one and said that if we have to we should test everything in order to keep consumer confidence and find the extent of the disease so we can eradicate it, instead of spread it by dropping quarantine barriers?
I guess you don't know as much about R-CALF as you think- EH!
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Tell me Oldtimer ... how R-Calf got to the bottom Of the things ..At no point did R-calf ever try to get to the bottom of Reports from former U.S.d.A employees that the U.S testing program was fatally flawed
You yourself brushed them off as disgruntled employees...when I asked you if R-Calf was going to investigate the reports .
All R-Calf ever said Is we don,t have a problem .
Do you think that the Japanese can,t read .
Even now they down play their U.S homegrown case of B.S.E
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Frenchman--I went to the site--Did you notice who posted the first article questioning the USDA? the Friedlander deal? This is the comment I posted at that time to you-"Anything is possible anymore with government and bureaucrats- looks like GAO should do some more investigating-"...
If you're looking for something else to blame on R-CALF, I think you better go beyond them cuddling up with USDA--It hasn't happened....Now NCBA, well thats a different story....
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They say the Japanese are going to open their borders to Canadian and American beef in about a week? The USDA is going to get the border back to normal in 2006...maybe 2007?
Time to get back into the real world? I doubt we'll see a massive movement of live cattle into the States. Things have changed? Cargill and Tyson now have the capacity, if necessary, to kill every animal in Canada? Some new packing plants will be coming on line in 2006? I suspect the Sunterra plant will be agressively marketing beef into Japan, as their hog plants have an established market there with Japanese wholesalers?
In the big picture America and R-CALF in particular have helped create a very strong competitor up here? One that will take some of their export markets? R-CALF told us that was what we should do!
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FRENCHMAN- I know you and Canadian Tam, like many Canadians, seem to think of Bill and Leo as deities...Everything negative that has happened in Canada for the last 50 years is R-CALF's fault-But they still don't have the power to order the USDA to do anything....All they can do is request and lobby, which if you research a little, you will find is what they did...In fact I believe they joined with a consumers group in one of the letters sent requesting USDA and Congressional investigation of USDA policies- which I understand is what led the GAO to do further testing...Which in the mind of the CCA and NCBA makes R-CALF evil, since who would work with a consumers group...Instead we're supposed to tell them only what the Corporate World wants them to hear- but heaven forbid, telling "them thar dumb consumers" the truth.....
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FRENCHMAN- I know you and Canadian Tam, like many Canadians, seem to think of Bill and Leo as deities...Everything negative that has happened in Canada for the last 50 years is R-CALF's fault-But they still don't have the power to order the USDA to do anything....All they can do is request and lobby, which if you research a little, you will find is what they did...In fact I believe they joined with a consumers group in one of the letters sent requesting USDA and Congressional investigation of USDA policies- which I understand is what led the GAO to do further testing...Which in the mind of the CCA and NCBA makes R-CALF evil, since who would work with a consumers group...Instead we're supposed to tell them only what the Corporate World wants them to hear- but heaven forbid, telling "them thar dumb consumers" the truth.....
yeah Oldtimer they did so much you are unable to produce any statement from R-Calf None zzzzzzzzzzzzz...regarding the flaws within the U.S testing program and the fact that the test the U.S used was inferior.
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The consumer group that you proudly boost R-calf climbing into bed with is also a funder of animal rights groups..
As far as blaming R-calF for everything ...give yer head a shake
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