age verification?

[farmers_son]

I am sure age verification is the cats meow with the Japanese. And I should emphasize that I have not heard what the actual protocols will be that see North American beef start flowing into Japan. However an article in the Western Producer suggested that the U.S. and Canada are not being treated equally. It is not a victory for Canada if the Japanese insist on mandatory age verification from Canada while the U.S. is allowed to export beef to Japan using only carcass information.

There is nothing stopping anyone from voluntarily using age verification as a marketing tool to gain market share in Japan. There is age verified beef available in the United States today under private and voluntary state programs. Age verification does not offer Canada a competitive advantage over the U.S. I would point out however that up to now Canada and the U.S. have been completely harmonized in their respective approach to BSE. There is absolutely no justification for Canada to be placed under more stringent rules than the U.S., pointing out that we do not yet know what the rules for export would be. But it is not a victory for Canadian producers to be forced to use age verification if the U.S. is not.

It is not in the best interest of Canadian producers if the worlds export markets take a view that Canadian beef, and for that matter live cattle, needs to meet a higher level of proof of food safety than U.S. product. The implications for all our beef export markets, including exports to the U.S. are far reaching.

I too hope I am wrong on this one. However the rumours I have been hearing suggest that Canadian beef is going to have to meet a higher standard than U.S. beef. It is naïve to believe that Japan is going to import Canadian beef instead of U.S. beef. One has only to look at the volume of trade the U.S. does with Japan to see that Japan is going to import their beef from the United States and at best Canada will regain our 2-3% of Japanese beef imports.

At the national level I think we need to stay harmonized with the United States. The fact that we could say that the U.S. pointing fingers at Canadian beef was akin to the pot calling the kettle black or like calling your twin sister ugly helped open trade with the U.S. If individual corporations want to start private age verification programs that see a premium paid to the producers for taking part is such a program that is fine by me. However I do have a problem with a mandated age verification program that is put in place because there is something wrong with our beef while U.S. beef is viewed as being safer and not requiring the same level of food safety.

If such a thing happens, and that is not for sure at this point, it is very possible that only age verified beef will be exported to Japan. The difference being American producers will get paid a premium for age verified while Canadian producers, being mandated to ship age verified, would not.

[smcgrath76]

It is definitely more work for us. We currently do not tag calves at birth, and we pair up cows/calves on the horse prior to branding, cut out all the calves and then brand them. Pairing cattle and pulling pairs takes a lot of time. Perhaps a better question for some producers is...
Do I need to? If some producers are tagging and age verifying for Japan, and it pulls the general feeder market up, those who are not doing the work still stand to benefit. Currently this is very much the way the system has operated.
Think about vaccinating and boostering prior to weaning. The calves still get their full suit of shots on entrance to the feedlot. Those who don't do the work, just saved $7.
We generally own calves longer than weaning day so it pays big for us to do that kind of thing. Not sure yet about the tags.
Legislating birth dates is significantly different than the market providing a return on producer efforts.

[cowman]

Well as far as costs go...you already have to put in the tags? Of course time is money so I do see your point there.
I believe the CCIA has said age verification is going to be mandatory? So in reality age verification is just going to be the cost of doing business?
Might be totally useless, in our minds, but that is just how it is! Not much different from the inane safety/environmental stuff we have to go through in the oil patch?
I believe our cattle organizations(CCA and ABP) endorsed this policy? And hey, they are our duly elected representatives, right? I wonder how some people see it as the real meal deal while others don't? Mabel Hamilton(CCIA) thinks it is the best thing since pizza! Is she uninformed or something?

[farmers_son]

To be clear, my concerns are not about whether age verification is a good thing or not. At some point in the not too near future the protocols for exporting Canadian and U.S. beef to Japan and for that matter the rest of the world will be announced. Rumours to this point suggest that U.S. and Canadian beef will not be treated equally and that Canadian beef will have to meet a higher standard of food safety.

Up until now Canada and the U.S. have been completely harmonized in their approach to food safety and especially BSE. I think all Canadian cattle producers should be very concerned if it is mandated that Canadian beef has to meet a different and more stringent level of food safety than the U.S. in order to export to Japan.

The level of BSE in the Canadian cattle herd and the American cattle herd is comparable. It is not positive for our industry if Canada is required to put in place a mandatory age verification system while the U.S. is not. If that were to happen age verification would simply put us on a level playing field with the U.S. who would not be required to use age verification. The fact that we have a tagging system in place would in effect work against us as the U.S. who are years behind Canada with their tagging system would be exporting beef using only carcass information.

Bottom line, it is important that our beef is viewed as being every bit as safe as U.S. beef and that our two countries remain harmonized in their approach to BSE food safety. It is not a plus for Canadian beef producers if we have to meet higher export standards that the U.S. does not. If the U.S. is able to export to Japan using carcass information than it would be preferable that Canada lobbied to use a similar process leaving our age verification abilities available as a voluntary marketing tool rather than a mandated export requirement. If Canada has to meet special criteria to export to Japan that the U.S. does not have to meet then that just gives protectionist forces in the U.S. fuel to argue that Canadian beef and live cattle has to meet special export standards for entry in the U.S. Those export requirements quickly turn into trade barriers that cost Canadian producers money.

[sjc]

The trouble is that some of the elected reps are purebred breeder who will have absolutely no trouble recording the birthdate data for each calf because it is being done that way already. It is a little different for those on the range whose calves are not born inside a barn in January and February.
That being said, we plan to do our part and submit the birthdates. It might come down to the fact that there might be no premium to do it, but if it is not done there might be a discount. I cannot take that chance.

[greybeard]

This fall I shipped a load of yearling that had 10 head that needed to be tagged / retagged. We had to sort those 10 from the ones with tags. I tried to squeeze them up tight in the chute and quickly tag them that way. It worked well for 9 of them, but I ripped the ear on one and it bleed like a stuck pig and looked like hell. The cattle were headed to the states and I didn’t want any problems at the boarder so I kept the one back. The whole deal probably took me 2 hours with the sorting. Now I have one steer standing in a pen of bred heifers. It is inconvenient to take him to the market, and I am sure one #1100 steer won’t sell very well. Age verification cost me money with no obvious return in this case.
Grassfarmer has me convinced that grass calving is the way to go. I have been told that as you work with your cows less they turn into “range cows” and get a lot more protective around their calves. I suspect I will recognize them less as individual animals. I expect tagging will be more dangerous and I’m getting slower every year.
My greatest concern with mandatory ID is that it will turn into a pork barrel, as all Government programs do. Cost / benefits soon are forgotten when beaurocrats take control.

[nicolaas]

greybeard: we are all getting older!! We calve on the grass, no problem as long as you sell the crazies!!....remember, they get worse, not better every year.

[cowman]

greybeard: You are mistaking ID with age verification? You have to put in the ID tag whether you age verify or not? And yea, it can be a real pain in the butt as some cattle always seem to lose them. But it is a fact of life that we have to do it.
My biggest complaint has always been that the cow/calf producer has to do the work, pay for the tag, and take the hit if there is a problem. If the animal comes up positive for anything they go right to the original producer. I would think that if everybody in the food chain is getting the benifits from a mandatory ID system then everybody should pay equally? This of course does not happen.
Food safety is a government responsibility? They are paid very well to ensure our food is safe. I don't think it is unreasonable that the guy doing all the work should have the tag paid for by the government(or the consumer)? Obviously the feedlots or packers won't pay for it. The system is basically unfair to the primary producer.