What premium would a set of full sister black baldies be worth. They would be embryo transplant calves out of a high accuracy Hereford bull (trait leader id 6 traits) and a solid very sound 15 year old Angus cow.
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No premium of my money I'm afraid - well not enough to cover the cost of ET. I wouldn't value them any higher than a good level pen of F1 replacements of similar breeding. At the end of the day they are still just commercial cows and the country is full of those. The offspring would be what the buyer would be marketing and by that time the genetics of another bull is thrown in diluting the original genes further. I don't see there is enough money in the beef chain accruing to the primary producer to justify this kind of added expense.
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Aye my wee thrifty friend-I'll be keepin' them for meself and trust me the country isn't full of F1's like these. That old black cows offspring have averaged around 150 grid premiums -her daughters calves too. The Hereford bull throws perfect uddered cows that last forever-have fun at the salebarn price shopping lol.
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I can't comment about premiums as it has been a long time since I have bought any females into our herd. I would say that knowing the quality of some commercial herds........ I would think that any daughters off a 15 year old cow should be worth something in any herd, and would definitely improve MOST herds.
I think that while too many people focused on big weaning weights, and fast growing bulls etc, they forgot to select for a cow that earns her keep, by staying around in the herd at a minimum cost of maintainence. Good udders, feet, and disposition, is what we look for in our replacements. If momma didn't have it..... neither will her daughters.
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My apologies CS - I though you were asking what premium the heifers would be worth to sell. If you are keeping them for yourself and already know their genetic potential on the grid that obviously doesn't apply. So what was the question?
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Randy you rude little man-I bet that attitude sells you alot of bullsI've been selling baldie heifers for pretty good premiums for years and I wanted to see if anybody was really interested in proven genetics on the commercial side. We've got individual carcass and grid information on 100's of our calves that we've sold on the grid
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In my mind, if I am going to pay a premium for something it is because I am getting a product that either is hard to come by or one that is somewhat special or unique. Now a smaller commercial operator may pay a premium for commercial heifers with special genetics, but it would be an operator that is well versed in genetics and can see the value of adding that predictablity to his herd.
I agree with you cwilson, black baldies are hard cattle to beat bred the right way, although in my neck of the woods you wouldn't see a hereford bull anywhere.
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Well when you see some of the money that is paid for some of the garbage at some bull sales I was curious what someone would pay for good cattle -that are garanteed.In the last ten years I've had to replace three head about half of one percent of what I've sold. I wish I'd of been treated that way when I was buying heifers. Some big advertisers are big con men in the bred heifer business.
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I would think you would need a buyer with a long term vision to pay a premium that would cover the ET costs? Not sure what those costs are today.
If you are keeping them for yourself, well you know how your genetics work and you should base a decision on that?
If you think the improved genetics warrant the expense then go for it.
I am often amazed how some of these big bull sellers have hundreds of heifers on offer? I assume these heifers are bought from their own bull customers? They seem to always sell well.
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CS WILSON, Sounds like to me you know what the premium is. If your grid premiums avg. $150/head, why would you accept anything less.
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The marketing for these big bull sales is what gets the premium in my view, not the quality. There are lots of darn good bulls around that came from smaller breeders herds, no hype or show ring banners, just good honest cattle.
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Most the bulls out of show rings ranches could never preform on the range situations where they have to walk. They have (For the most part) been overfed, and pimped up to look nice and get those amazing wts for days of age stats.
As I would never by a bull from an auction mart, I would very rarely buy one from a show ring....... besides they are way over priced.
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