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    #31
    I agree with cowman on this one. While smcgrath and myself are in accord on where we think calf prices are headed I cannot agree that this will bring about more investment in packing facilities in this country.

    Investment dollars flow only to places where it is perceived that money can be made. And because these dollars have the whole business world to choose from, how likely is it, do you think, that this venture capital will go to the cattle packing business in Canada where there is already well-entrenched competition, a highly cyclical and variable raw product and limited retail channels? I can think of a myriad of places where I'd rather put my money and, believe me, these venture capitalists are a whole lot smarter than me.

    If we rule out outside financing for Canadian packer plants, then you have to look at producer-owned plants. But surely this too is a dead issue? Most of the proposed plants could not raise money from producers during the BSE crisis. I see no chance of this happening in the next while.

    The fact is, as cowman has pointed out several times, we had a Canadian packing industry in times gone by. They could not compete with the Cargills of the world and they're long gone. Without direct government involvement--something I do not see happening either--we are not going to have a packing industry in this country in 10 years that is much different from the one we have now.

    kpb

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      #32
      Well kpb, wouldn't you think 30% return on investment should attract some venture capital? I mean 30% is a pretty good deal?
      I wonder why some wizard hasn't gone right ahead and started slapping up packing plants?
      If the profits are so great how come so many proposed plants packed it in? Why weren't the bankers jumping all over this one?
      Bottom line: It's a tough dirty business and only the very strongest can survive! Look how fast Cargill muscled out the old Canadian packers? And those old Canadian packers were no slouches!

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        #33
        Tim Horton's shares would probably ring the bell I'm thinking-every hockey mom in Canada is hooked on that place.I still think a chain of rancher owned meat shops selling branded products would be the way to go. Most midsized towns could build a provincially inspected abbatoir and a shop for alot less than a megaplant that imports it's workers. There are two family owned meat markets in our town of 5,000-they are competing against two big box grocery stores and are doing well. I'd invest in something like that as for the other I'll pass.

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          #34
          Cswilson: You might be right. In any event there are opportunities out there to move closer to the consumer, as an industry we are still learning how best to do that.

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            #35
            Cswilson: I believe Grant Hershey is doing exactly that? You might want to get in touch with him?
            I think Randy is fairly tight with him and may be able to help you there...if you two are on speaking terms this year!
            Grant is one heck of a nice guy and a smart businessman.

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              #36
              ...i think we should do a little poll...every 3 bucks we give that good for nothing cattle association we could invest in these rancher owned meat shops...

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                #37
                Yeah, if only we could...paying the $3 to the "political wing" of the anti-producer, packer cartel gets kind of irritating. Of course the Packers have the Governments ear and make sure they won't allow any such democracy to prevail. The cattle association completes the circle by working hard to deflect any critisism away from the Government or packers. I could live without this "Alberta Advantage"

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