Another Mad Cow Suspected Cases

[coppertop]

Willowcreek, do you think that our country has a significant threat to our livestock industry and our security from potential diseases and terrorists that may enter Canada from the US ?

[Willowcreek]

I think the US still has huge loopholes in our border security altho its been tightened...Right now I think we're doing a better job with the northern border than the southern- and until we get the southern border completely closed its definitely a threat to Canada too..Arizona and N.M. Sheriffs are reporting that Islamic terrorists are paying heavily armed Mexican Coyotes tens of thousands of dollars to get them into the US- from there they know not where they are going....With Canada's thousands of miles of seacoast its only natural they are probably smuggling some in that way and thru the seaports...Canada's lax immigration laws and political sanctuary laws have allowed many radical Islamic fundamentalists to set up groups in Canada- where they can seek aid and help fulfilling their mission...

Its something both countries need to work a lot harder on- but saying it will take 10 years to arm guards that should have probably always been armed doesn't show much of a commitment.

[coppertop]

I would suspect that guards that have never been armed need training, and if they were all in training at one time there would be no-one guarding the border. One thing that both our federal and provincial governments have been cautious about is not just handing out guns willy nilly to everyone that happens to have some sort of badge. Alberta has just recently put armed sheriffs out on some of our highways, but not until they have undergone intense training with firearms.

[jensend]

but saying it will take 10 years to arm guards


when harper made the announcement he said it took the us about ten years to get all their customs officers armed. you've pretty much shed all your credibility, willowcreek. head back to the local watering hole and talk to somebody who believes you. or just maybe get out and see the world if you aren't too paranoid. there's a whole lot of the world operating quite successfully without following the american model.

[Willowcreek]

Jensend-- Heres the entire article- read the second second paragraph "But it will take at least a decade to arm all of the nearly 5,000 guards along the Canada-United States border, Harper said."

Last I knew at least a decade was 10 years- anyway down here in the states it is...

Hows your credibility doing there jensing- maybe you need to crawl out of your pot pipe-eh? LOL

Must be too big a hit to the national defense budget to do it any faster.... With this type of commitment I can see why the US government thinks we need to build bases and forts along the border..

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Published: August 31, 2006


TORONTO Responding to a demand from border guards for weapons to defend themselves and combat criminals, the federal government said Thursday that it would begin arming guards in September 2007.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said some guards would begin receiving firearms next fall, with about 150 expected to be armed by March 2008. But it will take at least a decade to arm all of the nearly 5,000 guards along the Canada-United States border, Harper said. The border runs more than 5,500 miles, one-third of which is along Alaska.

The plan calls for 500 to 600 guards to be armed each year over the course of the program.

Harper, announcing the plan at a crossing south of Vancouver, British Columbia, said the move was "vital to our country's economy, and will protect the safety and security of all of our local communities."

The plan will also add a second guard at crossings that now have only one on duty, an increase of 400 guards at a cost of about $91 million.

Larger crossings, such as the one at Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, will remain relatively unaffected at first because the Royal Canadian Mounted Police already provide armed security there. The guards at airports will not receive firearms because armed police officers are present.

The unarmed guards, members of the Canadian Border Services Agency, have walked off the job several times in the past year, saying they need guns to defend the border and themselves. The union representing them threatened a strike over the issue in 2005. In January, Canadian guards in British Columbia fled their posts amid reports that two gun-wielding suspects were headed north for the border. Armed American officials apprehended the suspects. That incident came days after a federal election campaign that pitted the long-ruling Liberal Party against Harper's Conservatives. The Liberal Party opposed the arming of border guards, offering instead to add armed officers of the mounted police at the busiest crossings. Harper promised more border guards and firearms for them.

Some experts see the move as an acknowledgment that border security is a growing concern, even if it comes at the expense of smooth-flowing border traffic.

"It's a move away from the border being a place where essentially we collect taxes - recognition that it has a real security component to it that directly affects the safety and security of Canadians," Scott Newark, a security expert, said in a television interview.

Since taking office in February, Harper has tried to improve relations with the White House through an increased role in Afghanistan, a greater willingness to settle trade disputes and a more conservative stance on social issues.

Harper's decision to arm guards may allay fears in the United States that Canada is not doing its part to secure the border. When 17 homegrown terrorism suspects were arrested in Toronto in June, several American newspapers ran editorials questioning the attention paid to the Canadian border at a time when most of the focus was on the Mexican border.

[coppertop]

Well Willowcreek, one thing that I hope is that once our border guards are properly trained the ones along the Montana border are extra vigilant to ensure that we don't get any coyotes crossing to Canada !!!!

[cowman]

Bottom line is all these so called security measures are going to restrict commerce and trade. So everything you buy is going to cost more and everything you sell will net you less? This is not a good policy!
How much has the goofy lumber dispute cost the American home buyer?
Willowcreek: I've said it before and I'll say it again...In western Canada we are the same people as you in Montana! In fact a lot of us came from the western US? We need to work together, not apart? We are changing things here in Canada with the new government, but you need to realize it takes time to overcome the decades of socialist Liberal screwups! And by the way, in Alberta we NEVER supported that party or their philosophy.

[jensend]

willowcreek i said a couple of years ago over on the other board that if we gave r-calf enough rope you'd hang yourselves and you're about there. as the evidence comes out about bse in canada and all the trade that's occurred over the last thirty years you have pretty much condemned the american beef supply while you've been smearing canadian cattle.your hillbilly leaders make statements that appeal to the less intelligent among american ranchers and now have essentially told american consumers the american cattle herd is rife with bse because the candian herd is diseased and it has contaminated the american herd. your feedban is less effective and less enforced, your testing rate is lower and has been a totally corrupt program meant to not find diseased animals with ineffective testing standards and hiding suspect animals. the rest of the world knows all this and that is why borders are so slow to open up to a country that considers itself bse free. your senators threaten force to open up markets and you want mcool without verification as if that will force american consumers to choose yuour product. if r-calf wants to do something for the american cattle industry why don't you clean it up? you have no influence in congress, your legal cases fail with time and you are losing what little credibility you had. no fool like an old fool.

[FRENCHMAN]

willowcreek... but it appears CFIA, the Canadian government and Canadian public have no problem with US beef/cattle since they just reopened the border to ALL US beef/cattle of all ages (including seedstock)



How many times do I have to correct you on this Ot..

Breeding stock born after 1997