Willowcreek?

[grassfarmer]

The Nebraska Farm and Ranch business management education program gathered some interesting information regarding government support payments to farmers/ranchers. There were 129 Nebraska farms and ranches involved in a study that compared net income to government support payments. A six year average found that nearly 90% of net income was generated by government supports (government supports as a percent of net income). In 2000 and 2001 it exceeded 100%, was 50% in 2004 and back up to over 80% in 2005.

You were talking about US producers being heavily subsidised and feeding banned products I assume willow kreek?
Certainly isn't the case us here.

[jensend]

seems like posters with 'willow' in their name have a tendency to believe their own government's propaganda. they're skeptical of everybody else in the world because they have been assured everything in the fifty states is superior. this goes well if they don't get too far from home and discover the truth.

[WilIow-Kreek]

No CAIS or NISA programs down here Grassfarmer.We survive by supplying an honest product to our consumers.

[cowman]

So I wonder "how honest is your product" ?
I hate to even bring this up, because I think you are just a "Canadian Sh** disturber, stirring the pot"...but whatever here goes?
If you DON"T LOOK...YOU DON"T FIND? Which is a pretty good statement of USA policy in regards to BSE? Test lots of two year old steers...and VOILA...no BSE!
Test every darned old cow who bites the dust...a you get a handful of BSE cows? Which just shows me this disease is pretty darned rare?
Not too hard to figure out?
The fact is just about every old cow in Canada that wasn't going to make a few bucks...got tested? How dumb do you think we are in Alberta? Do you think we would haul that old crock to town when we could get $225 to shoot her and call the vet?
Now according to you we have CAIS and NISA? I hate to tell you NISA is long gone and CAIS is virtually a joke for most people! Now compare that to all the sweetheart deals you have down there....well don't even go there...no way it is even comparable!
I think I know who you are and that is okay(STEVE)? At least you are getting someone to talk for a change and maybe Willowcreek will be stimulated to think beyond his narrow idiot R-CALF view!
I also like how Willowcreek "distorted" the US/Canada trade figures on Ag trade by quoting the whole balance of trade? Of course we have a positive trade picture overall, you idiot! We are keeping your country running with our oil and gas!
And furthermore we are fighting YOUR war in Afganistan and OUR soldiers are dying because you idiots screwed so many people!
Obviously I get sick of people like Willowcreek being so damned dumb!!!

[WilIow-Kreek]

cowman "And I welcome "Willow Kreek" to this forum. All opinions should be welcome here....even you old boys who need some "educating" LOL
Randy: It really serves no purpose to degrade people(ala Willow-Kreep)? Come on you are out of the school yard now?"
Guess this sentiment only applies when someone else slings mud.
BTW,thanks for the suggestion of Canadian citizenship.I'll be able to get a free ride on that"gravy train".

[mb_rancher]

Willow-Kreek- If you think things are rosy up here in the beef industry why don't ya come up and giver a try. You ll soon find out that CAIS does not help cattle producers. I have never got a payout from them yet and likely never will. That program works on cashflow and inventory. Right now cull cows are worth $250 here CAIS values them at $500. Bred cows worth $500 now CAIS values them at $875. It all works against beef producer as we all have inventory. As for NISA its long gone.

[Willowcreek]

Mb-rancher--["If you think things are rosy up here in the beef industry why don't ya come up and giver a try."]

I tried that- but your Canadian (Sask) protectionist laws won't allow an American to buy land-even that that joins it across the border- unless you put 51% into a Canadian partners name...And according to Big Muddy- this is to keep Americans with money from buying the land- so it can cheaply remain in Agriculture...

Whats that again about Canada being for "Free trade" and not having subsidies?? LOL

[kato]

Quick fix for that problem. Become a Canadian! Then you can learn what it really means to pay taxes. LOL.

The rule is there for a reason. If it wasn't for that little rule, just imagine what it would be like eh? The land owned by Americans, growing cattle to be shipped to American owned plants in Alberta, and then shipped down to America to be sold in top end restaurants. Pay R-Calf dues with one hand to try and bring in MCOOL, and pay Canadian property taxes with the other hand to raise beef that is exempt from MCOOL.

[cowman]

Willowcreek: Why would anyone in their right mind want to move into our "beef situation"? Cheap land is just fine...but somehow you have to make it pay? And thanks to the shabby way the USA has treated us up here on just about every agriculture product...well you would be better to stay right where you are!
Sometimes I wonder if you R-CALF boys just don't get it? You somehow think MCOOL is going to solve all your problems...or at least you pretend it will...while fully knowing the main thrust of MCOOL is to impede your packing industry from buying Canadian cattle!
What you don't understand is this: You make it impossible for your packers to slaughter Canadian cattle...it will just come across in a box? And it won't be heading for the Safeway meat counter...but to the steakhouses, restaurants, sub shops, and good old MacDonalds! In case you didn't know it our packers up here can probably handle all the cattle now? And yep...thats mostly your two favorite buddies...Cargill and Tyson! Both have expanded!
So when your local packers(well as local as you can get in Montana) go broke because they can't source enough cattle...rest assured you can still get a tasty Alberta steak down at your local steakhouse!
And when you walk into Safeway and check out the meat counter you can buy a roast or steak labelled "Born in Canada, barley fed, slaughtered at High River Alberta"...and know you are going to have a superior eating experience!

[Willowcreek]

Simple cowman- There is no land left to be bought down here at prices that will pencil out on Agriculture prices..Since their are no laws restricting anyone from buying (even rich Canucks) the land prices have inflated above productivity capability...Saskatchewans law pretty much tells me that Canada does not want free and FAIR trade...Its nothing more than a protectionist subsidy for Agriculture- and is just one of many instances where the countries are not the same- as some would have us believe...

And I disagree with you on M-COOL.. M-COOL is being honest with the consumer- and not allowing the packer/retailer to fraudulently pass off meat from Mexico, Uruguay, Brazil, wherever in the world as US Beef..

I spent 30 years in law enforcement- and if they did the relabeling they do with any other product- they would be guilty of a crime...Its just that they have found a loophole in a USDA rule and have the USDA bought out so badly that they continue using it...That needs to be- and I believe will be fixed this next year-- with possibly an even tougher M-COOL than was written (label ALL)....