b-s-e [beef save eating]

[sawfly]

tomcwb

dont you think it is a bit of a stretch to blame the ndp for price fixing of big bussiness.
of course their big business freindly attitude is to blame.

the conservitives and liberals have been in power in ottawa since canada began. Any blame for weak competition laws rests with them.

I would commend the stance of con. MPs on the OUI debate . But remember it was Mulroney that gave away the farm to the chemical companys in the first place.


free trade was designed so that big business could move money jobs products and factories around and out muscle local competition.
once that is done , they can do whatever they damn well please.

[wd9]

SF3, ouch. Some would say as much as the day is long but I digress.

When you say 'something', what is that something? What exactly is wrong with the system that MP's and MLA's can do?

I can't tell my MP to do something and hope to have something fixed and expect a positive result.

[SASKFARMER3]

Whats ticking me off WD is that farmers are just laying down and dying and not standing up and doing something about it.
This is plain highway robbery.

[sewen]

The MP's are too busy debating whether or not Shane Doan should be wearing the captains C for team Canada to be bothered with something like the price of fertlizer.

[wd9]

What is the something you suggest?

[parsley]

Canadian Fertilizer Institute Annual Conference will be held from August 13-15, 2007 at the Fairmont Banff Springs, Banff, AB

www.cfi.ca

Parsley

[skhadenuf]

Right on Saskfarmer and sewen, In regards to the hockey thing what a complete joke, but anything to appease the Quebec population, my how nothing has changed since the last election, it's freakin embarrassing hopefully people in other countries don't watch cpac and missed this embarrassment. We have troops risking their lives over seas and have little or no debate but sit and go through this joke. Good thing those idiots in our capital don't here all the things said during hockey games the nation would come to a standstill.
In regards to input prices, it's time for our new federal government to start showing they actually understand what is going on. Where the hell are all of those Conservative MP's, who had all those big ideas of improving the farm situation. OOPS i'm sorry I forgot, if you want a majority government you must have in government MP's that have no tongue and no brain out west, so we can feel a part of the government of Canada.

[parsley]

Go to:

http://www.cfpf-fcpf.ca/

Look at their Mission Statement, and in particular #3.

Direct feedback from farmers should be able to have some impact here.

Parsley

[wd9]

They are charging what the market will bare. We pay it so where is the problem? Price is OK because we all are fertilizing like we did last year.

Same thing with $6.50 a pound canola seed. Who is in the wrong, the company that charges for it or the farmer that buys it - and it is usually the first one sold. Sounds like an open market in action. It doesn't have to be fair, just open.

Market signal therefore is charge more because the volume hasn't decreased. In fact the most expensive canola seed is bought before the last crop is even combined.

Mission statement of CFPF #3: Plan for the future by analyzing emerging opportunities, new technologies and strategies on how agricultural producers can remain competitive.

Competitive doesn't mean profitable.

What is your MP supposed to do? Are there import regulations that hamper access? Transportation act issues? Hazardous goods cross-border issues? I have not researched the regs at all, what are the issues?

[ColevilleH2S]

Competitve? Thats a laugh I just paid $75USD/tonne more than the price quoted at the top of this thread for 11-52-0. A guy could truck that stuff from North Dakota to the Peace River and back to my farm for less than that.

Anyone read the front page of the last last Western Producer. PMRA is trying to pull the same shortage scare with pesticides. I have yet to see any mention of this "shortage" in any posting on the US ag sites. The tighter they can keep that boarder shut the easier it is for them to have their way with us.
"divide and conquer" (Just thought I'd throw that in for dramatic effect)

[northfarmer]

glyphosate prices, low end or wherever are going up, based on elasticity of demand....get yours now for the whole season..we filled the shed already to make sure....higher prices will curb demand to balance the equation....and before you start the conspiracy theory rant the same economic principle is what will bring about the rebound in our commodities that we sell...ala feed and peas and others

thanks SKfmr for keeping the heat on the topic...wd9...YOU ARE RIGHT THE BUYING GOES ONE AT THESE HIGH PRICES....but what percentage of volume will be done at these high margins....

we are not effectively arbritraging the price across the border, ours and the US and the continent and the rest of the world when it comes to nitrogen.and other ferts...all most all global new production of nitrogen in the last many years have been offshore....reason is cheap energy both gas and power...and that will not change.....

as buyers we must look forward for solutions...we must plan six to eight months ahead to secure off shore urea to arbritrage this market...we need to have on farm storage and even blending capability...trackside where feasible....

we need to be able to get fert inland to Canada without using the mississipi and new orleans ports...no fert comes from the west coast that I know of....this has all changed with the bursted gas bubble and higher electricity cost....

if they are planning or building LNG(liquid nat gas) unload facilties on our west and east coasts that should tell you something...and as others have suggested, and we are doing on our farm, we have increased our pulse acres, feed more cows on forage/grass and are using our cows to spread the fert around....certainly not the total solution for the large landbase of our farm operates on and i still search other solutions

we should complain to our politicians, but complaning without a strategy for the solution will lead us no where...my thought is this ....the basic transportation infrastructure for western Canada is rail and highway for the movement of bulk commodities...improvements of this to bring about more competitive and cost efficient two way movement of commodities is a public good and the govts should have a role in development of policy for this.....an example of this is the value the US govt brought to the plains of the Midwest and the key industrial and ag regions with the dredging and subsequent development of the Mississipi river....the Army crop of engineers was involved I believe....

there was an intersting story in the seducer about hoppered containers...this may hold promise for both crops and fert to be moved....we have brand new container port being built in Rupert...the best deep sea port on the west coast...and my question will the high speed intermodal trains even stop on the Prairies before they hit Chicago?

too much rain....too much time to think...good luck all!

[nicolaas]

Free enterprise in the farming inputs industry? One of the above posters has it right wrgs to PMRA and their crop life chem. lobby group teaming up to end own use for chemicals. I can see the reason for higher fertilizer prices if there actually is a shortage, but the chemical side is blatent government sanctioned manipulation. There are many generic herbicides (especially ones for wild oats) that are used in the states, and will not be allowed into Canada for years to come if this goes through. Just to put it in perspective... You can buy generic medication/drugs from your drug store after the patent has expired, why should farm chemicals be any different? Is PMRA not doing their job? Thats big bucks out of your pocket. This is a serious threat to the long term profitibiliy to farming. Call & write your M.P. and MLA - I did.

[Jay-mo]

So was anyone here affected last week when a "phonecall" was made to Transport Canada shutting down farmers along the US border who where bringing nh3 across with US tanks which where not TC certified?
I find this pretty outrageous when a guy is able to save in some cases $200/tonne on his nh3 and then the local nh3 supplier doesnt like it and makes a call and shuts the border on a technicality.

[wd9]

There is, but what is the technicality? Is there a reg preventing it and if so what is it and under which agency?

Nicolaas, you should start another thread on the Ppip issue as it warrants a discussion of its own for sure.

[Jay-mo]

The technicality has nothing to do with the nh3 itself but with the US tank/wagons which are certified by the D.O.T. in the US but not by Transport Canada.