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    #11
    We used to do it a little differently. Maybe this is not what the intention of what a 4H calf is supposed to be, but our sons' steers stayed with the rest of the steers eating out of the self feeder with everybody else until everybody else was sold as a short keep. Then they stayed there by themselves until they were gone. The boys were part of taking care of the bunch of them, and their calves were not treated any differently than the rest, other than the halter breaking adventures we all love so well. LOL.

    Back in the day, we worked up to feeding free choice barley with minerals, salt, and buffer added along with free choice hay or straw depending on the hay situation for the year. When the cattle were used to this they regulated their own intake very well, and seemed to manage to express their potential quite nicely.

    The one time we segregated a steer for special feeding was when the younger son had caught a calf in the calf scramble at the Winter Fair in Brandon, and had to show a finished animal at the end of March the following spring. That one was fed alone in the barn, and wouldn't you know it, when the cows started coming in to calf he fell in love and went off feed for a whole week. It made the difference between Champion and Reserve according to the judge. He and the other top steer were that close. He still did us proud though, because in the show world, white steers didn't usually top the class. He was only beat by a Limo.

    We used to tell the boys, it was only one judges opinion on one day, and that today's winner might be at the bottom of the class tomorrow. We found over the years that come sale time, other than the Champion and bragging rights that went with it, most of the steers did not sell in an order of price that matched the order of placing in class. The size of the cheque is actually the deciding factor of who really wins. Just like in the real world.

    grassfarmer, if you have some neighbours and friends who are also interested in grass finished 4H steers, there's nothing to stop the formation of a club dedicated to just that. Nowhere is it written in stone that a 4H steer must be grain fed. That's not the intent of 4H, no matter what some overeager parents might say. ;-)

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      #12
      GF....I did explain, I was no expert.
      However, I spoke to my main man who is a nutritionalist, has his masters and has been connected with cattle all his life. His words were "it can be done during the right point on the growth curve with exceptional hay, but not on heavy fats." He also stated most people do not put up exceptional hay due to time constraints and weather.
      Also, in the last Cattleman I believe, was a trial that showed results of 2lb/day gain on swath grazing ...although technically I guess, there is grain there.
      Anyways, perhaps 2lbs is a bit of a stretch for most, but it is doable.....

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        #13
        When are you halter breaking? That can be as detremental to weight gain as anything. I would suggest get it done in Nov. or wait 2 weeks before the show. Late castrating really sets them back too. I use to start a dozen or so pottentials on free choice whole oats in July as calves, and keep that going until weaning. Adding a little wheat in the fall to early winter adds alot of muscles and size because of the protein. From feb forward I would get them switched over from oats to barley about 8lbs per day fed twice a day. By May you want to be up around 25- 30lbs day. 3/4 of a pail twice a day, corn helps too and lots of good clean freshwater. My little secret to really make them pop is if you have a little patch of green grass in the spring let them graze for about an hour/day, not too long or they fill up but it's way better than hay. Alot of calves also don't like city water (if your show is in the city) over a 3 day show you'll lose alot of weight so either bring your own water or start adding molases to the water at home for a few weeks before the show then you can add it at the show to mask the chlorine. I was consitantly selling 1275lb march born pure bred herefords, a couple of champs in there.

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          #14
          It is tough one. We had the same type of calves every year and the show trend would swing by us over time moving calves up or down the class. A 650-700 pound steer in Nov. needs some punch in their diet by Christmastime to make an Early June show with hard cover.
          When I was younger, all the 4-H calves had bluetags and we got the grading data back on them over the summer. Often the winner isn't.
          Do a heifer project. The project expands over time and helps a lot of kids pay for school. Although we learned May calving doesn't work there, it is closer to the reality of the cow business.

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            #15
            I agree about the heifers.

            Especially for a young starter 4H'er, a heifer is a lot easier to have the first year, because they don't have to sell it.

            We gave both of our sons their first heifers,and by the time they graduated, they both had the money for school saved up from the proceeds of these heifers' progeny and from show steers.

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              #16
              Kato,
              Would getting a heifer be your kids first experience with an agricultural subsidy program? It could be countervailable?
              Thinking back I got my share of interest free loans and subsidies along the way (Thanks Mom and Dad).

              Sean

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                #17
                We have some kids in our club all from the same family that show up at weigh day in early December with the roughest and generally smallest calves of the club. They have them on corn silage supplemented with barley and hay. Guaranteed one of those calves will win ADG for the club and usually the fair. No implants are used!

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                  #18
                  For our club we have 13 calves our highest gain 2.64 per day. What did your calves sell for per lbs? We feed barley,oats,alfalfa mixed hay till May and then start with ration.

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