Warning to other parents

[Kathy]

Yes I know this isn't exactly topical of this message board, but we have in the past spoken of the junk going on in our schools with our kids.

Some information has come to my attention which combined with the NEW vaccine forms sent home via school children from school, on behalf of the Health Authority, needs immediate attention.

The Health Authority needs your consent to vaccinate your child, at school or otherwise. However, their NEW FORM for granting consent NOW INCLUDES a section stating you are "REFUSING" to take the vaccination - and there is a place there for you to sign the "refusal" separate from where you would sign the "consent".

Dr. True Ott of the USA, revealed in one of his DVD lectures (which I watched this evening) that in 39 states in the USA, they have passed legislation which would make it legal for the State to charge and imprison (quarantine) anybody who refuses a vaccination under pandemic classifications.

So maybe Gardasil (HPV), Hepatitis and DTaP are not listed pandemics at this time; the up and coming H1N1 IS.

They are setting a precedent where-in you sign a contract with the Health Authority stating you "refuse" a vaccination.

I suggest you don't sign the Health Authority's form. Draft your own, and tell them they do not have your consent to vaccinate, period.

If you have already signed the NEW "Consent"/"Refusal" FORM, as some have.... get the original back from the Health Authority - rip it up, and give them your own document.

It is "their duty to obtain your written consent before they vaccinate your child". It is not your duty to sign their "refusal" form.

Smells like a trap! And I want to warn parents of this intrusive and underhanded legal manipulation of your parental rights.

I'll get the name of the legislation in the USA tomorrow. Canada/Alberta must be planning or committed to similar legislation. Mr. Duckett is getting his "ducks" in a row! Let's say goodbye to Mr. Duckett and send him packing back to Australia.

[coppertop]

I have watched the videos of Dr. Mercola on
this issue, he is totally opposed to the
vaccination. I think back in the day,
parents were obligated to allow their
children to receive small pox vaccinations
but I have no idea whether parents were
required to sign a form back then.

[kato]

Not to start a fight or anything, but I harken back to the day my Great-Grandfather died during the 1918 pandemic, leaving six orphaned children.

I would think they want a signature that says it's been refused in case the situation comes up that someone died who was not vaccinated. This way they are not liable.

Smells like there are lawyers involved....

[DogPatch]

I think that this is just a way to to verify that the persons involved have been informed of their options, and have been given their opportunity to make the decision either for or against vaccination. Informed Consent I think is what they call this.

I think that some people don't want the government or bureacrates tell them what to do and believe that they should be suspicious of EVERYTHING! Really there is no X-file conspiracy, but given the opportunity to protect your children agains the various diseases out there, why wouldn't we? In the remotre event of a reaction to the vaccines, the practitioners know how to deal with them.

The world would still be fighting polio, smallpox, measles and diptheria if we didn't put some trust in Science.

[coppertop]

DogPatch the other vaccines you mention
took years of research to develop, the H1N1
vaccine has been rushed through and I for
one will not be getting a shot. I would
rather take my chances with the flu than
with a vaccine that has had a RUSH ORDER on
it. I hope that nobody has a reaction but
even the regular flu shot causes adverse
reactions in some people.

[DogPatch]

True there are those out there that don't believe that vaccinations work. Research does take time, and money, but I think that the knowledge that the Science has gathered since 1918 should be able to prevail.

As someone has said, refering to her Grandfather...... I don't intend to leave my kids orphaned, nor plan to put my kids (and everyone elses) at risk by refusing the vaccination.

[kato]

Several years ago I caught H1N1 when I was working at the vet clinic, and we had clients who had it going through their hog barns. It wasn't quite the same as this new strain, because it was only being spread from pigs to humans, and not from human to human. The only ones who got sick were me, the boss, and some workers in the barns. I guess I picked it up from handling the blood vials that had come from the barns. I didn't even go in a barn myself, but the sampling kit did.

It was not fun. I wouldn't recommend it.

[coppertop]

I do not get flu shots and have yet to
put the general population at risk. H1N1
is already in our country, and province
and nobody to my knowledge nobody has
had a vaccination as of yet so I guess
we all must be putting the general
population at risk !!!
I have two close friends who had
horrible reactions to flu shots, they
were very sick, and both had to take
several weeks off work.

[Kathy]

There are some very well educated and vocal doctors out there who will tell you the facts about the vaccines and what actually caused decreases in the diseases (guess what the vaccines didn't eliminate anything). I have one book that is quite detailed:

"Vaccine Safety Manual, For Concerned Families and Health Practitioners", by Neil Z. Miller

ISBN: 978-1-881217-35-0 Copyright 2008
Published by: New Atlantean Press
P.O. Box 9638
Sante Fe, NM 87504


Plenty of facts on how many of these "infectious" diseases were actually induced by the vaccines.

The autistic epidemic being experienced in the USA and other countries like Scotland, are indicative of a toxic exposure - not genetics. There are also several doctors who noticed that the rise in polio and fall, seemed to coincide with the use of DDT. I had also personally noticed this in the literature. Seems interesting to note that now that DDT is being allowed for use again, in some countries (mostly developing ones to combat malaria so the story goes), there is a reported rise in polio along with it.

I can recommend you google a few people, like "Mary Tocco" and "Dr. Andrew Moulden"... both will be in Alberta later this month to speak at public meetings. I'll post the details when I get them.

Another excellent book is "Evidence of Harm" by David Kirby. I have dozens of books, DVDs and CDs with doctors like Sheri Tenpenny (former ER doctor) etc... exposing the corporate fraud in vaccine production and government.

The new vaccine forms are not for protecting the government from people who choose "not to vaccinate"... they are for protecting the government and pharmaceutical companies from the people "who become vaccine injured". Informed Consent is an absolute joke, as not one health official or public health nurse, or doctor (involved with vaccinating the public), is providing us with full disclosure of the dangers of the vaccinations. Many do not know the dangers themselves, because it would be completely life-altering if they bothered to do the research themselves, it would shatter their image of health care. Many doctors, like Dr. Rachael Carley - didn't get involved until it was their child that became one of the vaccine injured.

[wilagro]

I will get the vaccination. There is NO reason to not do so. Lots of miss-information and down-right LIES on the Internet and in the press trying to discourage people from getting protection. Don't listen to them, as they are mischief makers.

[DogPatch]

Kathy.....

How do you decide which report, or "expert" etc to believe? Plus did you really buy/read that book?

[Kathy]

Yes I have this book and I am reading it.

As far as who's research do you trust,,, that takes alot of time, reading, and self-education. Working with other people that are knowledgable, asking questions, comparing notes, paying attention to people around you, attending meetings on such topics as autism, CWD, etc.

You look at everything and make a decision. When the researchers have science that fails to answer basic questions, you keep that in mind... when an answer comes to light that is relevant to other areas, you keep that in mind....

Informed consent implies you have made an attempt to inform yourself - and the public health authorities have to provide you with information too.

Signing a consent based on no or little knowledge, or a tiny pamphlet stating everything will be OK, adverse reactions are rare, it will never happen to you - doesn't cut it!

I have to read alot of papers (hundreds) to become informed. The pharmaceutical industry cannot be trusted... there is too much money at stake. Doctors sitting on advisory panels for vaccination schedules are often in conflict of interest (hold patents on vaccines, worked for the Pharm co. in the past, rely on corp. funding for research, etc...)

Knowing your history is also important. Medical schools are not providing a true account of medical history and disease. When doctors become informed on these topics, many of them become vocal to try to inform others. At this time, they are discredited and the messanger is attacked - the message isn't debated because that would draw too much attention to the details.

[Kathy]

wilagro, I have no problem with you or anyone else taking the vaccines... I will not accept anybody telling me I HAVE TO take them, or anybody else HAS to.

People have a god given right to control their health and what goes into their own bodies, and their minor children's bodies. Too much talk about forcing vaccines. As far as the media is concerned... we must be watching different stations... our TV stations can't fear-monger enough.

If you pay attention to their common talking point... "the best protection is vaccination".... you'll hear this said over and over and over again.

BUll! Your best protection is a functioning, healthy immune system. If you inject foreign material and toxins directly into your blood stream/muscle... by-passing all the preliminary modes of immunity and natural protection... you are actually poisoning your blood.

[Kathy]

Here are the dates and times for some important vaccine safety meetings with Mary Tocco and Dr. Andrew Moulden:

October 19, 2009 -Monday 6:30 - 9:30 PM- GRAND PRAIRIE, Alberta,
Mary Tocco, "Are Vaccines Safe? And Dr. Andrew Moulden "Tolerance Lost" -All Vaccines lead to Stroke. Location: Five-Mile Hall, Grand Prairie Alberta, Canada. For reservations and information call 780-357-0705 or email Shannon at shanie420@yahoo.cm


October 21, 2009 - Wednesday 7:00-10:00pm - RED DEER, Alberta
Mary Tocco, "Are Vaccines Safe? And Dr. Andrew Moulden "Tolerance Lost" All Vaccines lead to Stroke. Location: Crossroads Church 32 Avenue and Highway #2. For information and reservations contact Bea at 403-342-6206. Or beacares@shaw.ca


October 22, 2009 - Thursday 7:00-10:00pm- EDMONTON, Alberta
Mary Tocco, "Are Vaccines Safe? And Dr. Andrew Moulden "Tolerance Lost" All Vaccines lead to Stroke. Location Green Wood Inn and Conference Center 4485 Gateway Blvd. Call John at 780-432-5464 for reservations and information. John@optimumhealthvitamins.com

[tman]

Wow, I never thought I'd come across someone making reference to Dr Joseph Mercola on here. I'm pleasantly surprised. As for the controversy with vaccines, there's always risks in anything. So is the (potentially increased) risk of getting the flu from not getting the vaccine greater than the potential risks of detrimental effects from the vaccine itself. As for who do you trust, I also think you need to make your own decision after doing some research. As for me, Dr. Mercola makes sense just like how Bud Williams' stuff makes sense to me. But unfortunately, from my experience I'm of the minority, in both cases.

It's real good to see a conversation about this no matter what side you're on. That's what makes a democracy so great, isn't it...



Until someone speaks too loudly for too long.