Crop Rotations???

[mbratrud]

The downside of our rotation is Canola on cereal stuble, takes longer for the soil to warm up. So we have banded Fert in the fall on our intended Canola ground it addreses those concerns but requires an an extra pass. Heavy harrowing is a must at the very least.

[furrowtickler]

We are tightening things up as well, can not afford two cereal crops in four. Trying to get to w/w, pea, canola. Canola on peas seem to work well here as well - not far from haveapulse. Usually dry enough not to worry about disease. All peas are sprayed at early flowering so reduced presure from the start. Also with 45S51 in the cards it reduces the risk with no yeild penalty.
No w/w in this fall but will try to set things up for next August somehow, tired of wheatmidge/sawfly/protien/branfrost and now ergot in the area. Plus with w/w there is three markets, borg/ethonal/feed at any givin time. Might even leave 300-600 ac of canola stb into August rather than fool with hrsw or barley.

[Jagfarms]

Have not had to much luck here in SW sask with
Canola on any kind of stubble. Lucky if we get 20
bu acre here with canola seeded on stubble. This
year was an exception I think as it was cool and we
had rain in July. We did not have any canola this
year and the years we have had it the weather was
hot and dry when it was flowering and it never
seemed to work out for us. Is there any variety of
Canola that can stand the heat and drought better?
Any body in the SW sask or SE Alberta on this
forum seeding canola on stubble and having any
luck with it?

We did seed some canola on sf as well but it only
yielded about 70% of what our durum yields on SF
so are better off growing durum as canola has a lot
higher input costs.

[mustardman]

There are only 2 kinds of people making money growimg Canola in SW SASK 1. The guy selling the $450 per bushel SEED
2. The chemical dealer
Oh better make that Three; The guy doing the custom app for every bug and worm and disease that suddenly shows up.
Jag, stick to what we do best Pulses and cereal. Peas or lentils or chicpeas followed by Durum followed by P or L or Chicpeas. ONCE in a while throw in an oilseed -Mustard preferably. If you want to look up research . Look for Brian Mckonkey data from Swift Currnet research station on crop rotations and water usage.
Seed corner to corner and if you've got too much land ,rent the extra out to some up and comer so you can have more families in your School , Rinks Etc. Seeding 1/2 and 1/2 is the quickest way to eliminate your towns population

[saskcanfarmer]

PEA/LENTILS - WHEAT/BARLEY - CANOLA

We hit as many acres in the fall as we can with 1.5L R-Up. All the peas and wheat get it minus some seed fields. Try to get as much Canola stubble as possible. Then everything get 1L in the spring.

Peas/Lentils(CL) sprayed with 1/3rd rate Pursuit then a 10 or so later full rate of Clethodim/Poast (And Headline for Lentils). Pursuit does a nice job on the cleavers and will take out a lot of the 1-2 leaf wild oats. A lot cheaper then Odyssey. Also used Viper on two fields this year and the fields seemed to be as clean as a whistle.

Wheat sprayed with a tough cleaver chemical (Frontline or Infinity) as well as Horizon. Barley sprayed with Frontline/Axial

All Invigour Canola sprayed once or twice with Liberty Clethodim.

We have went to this rotation to achieve better cleaver control before liberty and to avoid a second pass (MCPA) for volunteer canola in wheat. Wheat on Pea stubble usually give us a nice yield boost and protein boast and we don't have to go back in later and respray for volunteer canola. We will stretch and go clearfield canola on Pea stubble then wheat - LL - Peas. This year we have the option of going LL on pea stubble then going to wheat and spraying pre pass as a burn down and see how it does on the volunteer canola.

[furrowtickler]

S/f, have you tried Attain? Just woundering because the frontline cleaver control is a group 2 as well. There is group 2 resistant cleavers showing up in some parts of the province.

[tipsy]

Sometimes I can't believe how managers or management thinks.Its now the farm community that has me amazed.There appears to be no shortage of crops in the world in fact burdensome stocks of some grain/crops, most crop prices are depressed and the north american farmer is already looking forward to and planning for 2010.NOW that is optimism.

[cottonpicken]

Take off the non-senscical glasses tipsy.

I'll help you with a sort of analogy.

Pretend all the land above water on the earth is one square mile or a section of land.

Now add in proportionally deserts,mountains,forest,tundra,jungles and everything else including farmland.

How many humans could that section support?

Compare it to a stocking rate for cattle.

The number had better be around 125 humans-because thats what it is here and now.

[furrowtickler]

If your not foreward planning you should not be farming, not in todays world.

[saskcanfarmer]

Was looking hard at Attain this past spring but ended up trying Infinity. Was actually quite pleased with Infinity. Really cooked the cleavers. Still a big fan of frontline. You could definitely tell this past spring which cereal stubble was sprayed with it. We have also had good luck with trusty old Refine. Seems to have enough activity on the cleavers here. What have you been using?

[saskcanfarmer]

Also thought about splitting applications of Attain and Horizon and doing them seperatly. Thought about this with all our broad leaf and wild oat chemicals in wheat and barley actually.

[AG_guy]

group 2 chemicals are very hard on crops and will acually cost you a couple bushels when applied.

canola does not host mycorrhiza fungi so what you plant after makes a big difference on the dependency of the fungi. Here is the potential i repeat potential yield loss without mycorrhiza fungi.

Linseed greater then 90%
sunflower,pea,maize and chickpea 60-80%
sorghum,soybean 40-60%
wheat,barley,triticale 10-30%
canary 0-10%

Your VAM levels are very important.

[Hopperbin]

You are saying everything you plant after Canola is going to be less in yield? That is not going to fly with farmers with experience. There are areas that grow excellent canola and other than that nothing much, in other words canola is the cash and what keeps the farms going. Without canola you loose your farm and livelyhood. Canola has a good tap root that can the soil more healthy for following crops.

[AG_guy]

never said don't grow canola. I said some crops yield can suffer if grown after canola. peas are very dependent on mycorrizia were oates and wheat aren't. peas do better when an abundence of mycorrizia are. In fact there are farmers that are buying mycorrizia fungi and adding it to there soils . there is so much research on this it aint even funny, but i guess if the local retail don;t know anything about it then it must all be lies.