Statcan fall survey

[Kodiak]

It would be interesting to hear the discussion around Statscan if someone there read this thread. Would they quit wasting their time and ours? If the posts above are any indication of what kind of garbage they get, it's worse than I thought! I don't know what kind of adjustments or tweaking they could possibly do to bring the real picture into focus. I will have any even more skeptical view of their numbers from now on.

[dave4441]

For many crops, they know the exact amount of exports because all goods are reported. Case in point is lentils in 08/09, we sold many more MT then farmers reported, so Stat Can continues to increase the fudge factor and eventually no one will have any idea how many are really around and then grower as well trade will have no idea. Most companies have their own calcs anyways and know when Stat Can puts out a poor #.

[bucket]

I have asked them to send/fax the law that says I have to answer. To date, I have not received that fax or a copy of the law that makes it a legal requirement.

Besides, here is the headline " Farmer jailed in October for failure to answer Statscan while trying to get his crop in"

Yeah that makes for good press.

Here is another great line. Ask them how much money they have in the bank. They say " its none of your business" and I proceed to tell them its none of their business or any of the grain companies they sell the info to, how much grain I have until I want to sell it.

[parsley]

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Not only does the government collect your info, they sell it. Pars

[parsley]

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<p class="EC_style8ptBK"><strong>[URL="http://www.statcan.gc.ca/about-apercu/act-loi-eng.htm"](Act)[/URL]</strong></p>

Read it bucket.

Go to Edit at the top of your computer

Type in "Find on this Page"

Type in agriculture

You are swacked.

Better to be "deaf."

[fjlip]

Voluntary surveys

8. The Minister may, by order, authorize the obtaining, for a particular purpose, of information, other than information for a census of population or agriculture, on a voluntary basis, but where such information is requested section 31 does not apply in respect of a refusal or neglect to furnish the information. 1980-81-82-83, c. 47, s. 41.

They are not phoning for the Census, therefore it must be voluntary and we can refuse?

[parsley]

GENERAL STATISTICS
General statistics
22. Without limiting the duties of Statistics Canada under section 3 or affecting any of its powers or duties in respect of any specific statistics that may otherwise be authorized or required under this Act, the Chief Statistician shall, under the direction of the Minister, collect, compile, analyse, abstract and publish statistics in relation to all or any of the following matters in Canada:

(a) population;

(b) agriculture;

[fjlip]

So we have a issue with the minister, who would that be?

[bucket]

Parsley

So you think it would be okay to take a farmer out in handcuffs for not answering statscan?

There are bigger criminals to find and prosecute than a farmer who doesn't answer questions that are handed off to the private trade. And where and what does the privacy act do for me now?

[parsley]

the Minister of Industry ...Tony Clement... is also the minister responsible for Statistics Canada


The Chief Statistician of Canada is a deputy Deputy Minister (Canada)


The Chief Statistician supervises the administration of the Statistics Act

The current Chief Statistician of Canada is Munir Sheikh


Munir A. Sheik, Master of Arts, Doctor of Philosophy is a Canada civil service, economist, academic and Chief Statistician of Canada.He received a Master of Arts in economics from McMaster University in 1970, and earned a Doctor of Philosophy in economics from the University of Western Ontario in 1973....

[parsley]

bucket, You know well my stance on this.

I don't even think the Act should be in place. I don't think participation should be legislated. I don't think I should be forced to participate so the Feds can sell my information for cash.

But I was and I'd be prepared to go to jail over it.

However, I don't do surveys and they don't ask anymore. Pars