Help of a different kind

[skhadenuf]

Great news little one I spoke of is from what I hear doing well.
No wonder people are confused if you listen to government people, there is no problem but yet health regions are saying they are out already and others are delaying just to figure out who should get the limited supply.
The more I listen the more I get steamed up, How can those health people casually talk about it's going to be okey we only have a few deaths, when there are families that have lost people to this when quite likely if the vaccine was in place a month ago they would not have. the scarey part for me is that we trust those people for our safety and they publicly display they don't give a dam about anyone, someone's child is just a statistic to them, as long as it's not them and their families. To me it is the minister of health that should set the tone and they are not, all they seem to be worried about are their budgets.
When someone drunk gets in a vehicle and kills someone else they are held legally responsible do to negligence causing death there is no difference in mind to those at government and the health department that did not do their jobs and kids have died as a result. They will never be charged but they should be.

[checking]

I think you are being a little more than just harsh on the programmers of H1N1.

Just consider the relatively short time frame they have had to develop and mass produce a vaccine that many believe still hasn't been tested properly enough to be distributed.

Threr is nothing wrong with reasoned caution but what's sad are those extremists out there that revel in exciting to the frenzied state a percentage of the population that believe the sky is falling on every issue, including health. How else do you explain the overloading of emergency walk in centres by people that have no reason being there, but that they sneezed five minutes ago? Those are the ones that need to be reprimanded, or maybe reprogrammed.

I'd tell you to take a pill, but I wouldn't know what to prescribe.

[jensend]

the vaccine has been rushed into production and distribution without as thorough of testing as might be desired. it's ten to fourteen days from injection to effective resistance so there are still lots at risk. health care workers are leery of it because the testing hasn't been as rigorous as in the past. our daughter is a student nurse and twenty out of twenty-six kids on the ward she's been on are there for h1n1. she was exposed to the virus this past summer and had the flu but was still required to have the injection. they wouldn't test her for exposure. i'm sure testing is more expensive and time consuming than vaccination. from what's going on at her nursing school and the hospital my impression is that there's a lot of anxiety on the part of the health care system.

[skhadenuf]

for checking you'd be singing a different tune if one of your kids died I'm sure. Tell that to one of the parents that have lost theirs. These people are getting a good wage for the responsibility of our safety. Relatively short time????? Months ago certain people were boasting how we are leading the world and going to be ahead of the game you think we are??? We are in a frikkin mess to say the least.
To prove my point further just last night the health rep was talking about how in a few weeks everything will be allright! yet jensend just stated how even the health workers don't trust it, which one is it? Were we lied to months ago.
And for people like you who don't give a shit about anyone else, I wouldn't waste a pill on you, straight jacket and straight to the nut house, because you wouldn't mind everything would be great there too wouldn't it!!!!!

[jensend]

the process that's taken place so far is kind of like planting your canola crop and having it in the bin sixty days later. canada will have much more vaccine available on a proportional basis faster than almost any nation in the world. it won't be fast enough for some. the estimate for alberta is a mximum of four hundred people dying. for the developed world that's a huge dealth toll from a disease. it won't likely be that high but this could be a major medical event. saskatchewan did start vaccinating sooner than they had originally said they would and that will probably be reflected in a shortage of vaccine in the medium term. we won't likely go for the shot because we're 99% certain we've had this flu and now we're glad of it. our kids who are right in the high risk group have also very likely been exposed and received the shot because they are going to school in alberta.

[checking]

Wow!

Sir, and I use that term loosely, from your response you would have presented the same reaction to Avers had your child, or your neighbour's child had a crippling, or death reaction from taking the vaccine. It would be "the Health Care Department did not do their jobs, and kids have died as a result. They will never be charged, but they should be."

I was wrong. Your kind are extreme, extremists that demand everything be done yesterday, and if it isn't, or is, then blame someone else. Me Generation - front of the line. Maybe you'll go after the person that gave your child the flu. I can see your kind doing it.

My suggestion to you is to play it safe. Don't move, and for heaven's sake, don't accept any preventative health recommendations until the system at least catches up.

Pill recommendation - two phostoxin tabs, in case the first one doesn't work for you!!!

From the BC, H1N1 site - 400 to 800 people die yearly from regular flu or pneumonia in BC. Have you routinely taken your family for this shot?

[parsley]

Speaaking of pneumonia shots, checking, I had mine last Thursday, along with a regular flu shot.

The pneumonia shot is a life long vaccination against 23 different pneumonia viruses.

I had a definite reaction. Swollen arm, red hot, temperature, aching legs from hell, felt rotten and headache. One afternoon of it, and one night of it, and then done. Didn't expect it! Pars

[cottonpicken]

Fear is a powerful emotion,turns people into walking,talking morons.

I wonder how many people have died in car accidents while talking on their cell phones to somebody else about swine flu.

But who cares about reality,thermisol,autism and big pharma profits.

[skhadenuf]

Checking, in those 400 to 800 deaths how many have taken the shot for the desease they eventually unfortunately die from? In other words someone got the flu shot and died from the specific strain they got a shot for? How many of those never got a shot? What you're saying is thatjust because 400 to 800 people die anyway from some sort of flu it's alright that 7 times more people die in addition to that number from h1n1. Those 400 to 800 have nothing to do with the specific strain n1h1 of which I am talking about. We have a specific strain of which we are supposed to have a specific vaccine for, right or wrong?

So you are telling us the reason for the delay is that it's not sure of whether it is safe or not, health care workers don't even trust it, but the health ministers are saying the delay is because of a switch from producing with the extender (adjuvant not sure the right term) to without not simply because they aren't sure of the safety. Your message is as confusing as their's is. 2-3 weeks ago each health district had x amount of shots supposedly in transit to location already produced, now all of sudden everyone is getting only a fraction WHY? is someone else getting the product? or was it unsafe and a new strain had to be produced?

There should not be this much confusion over this issue and many times when something is more confusing than it should be, it more often then not means there is much more to the story than what is being said.

[checking]

My message to you is to be patient before your stress level compromises your immune system, and you become one.

How many programs have ever been delivered to your satisfaction, in your time frame? Stomping up and down, and elevating your heart rate makes as much sense to me as demanding that the weather change because you have crop to harvest.

If you require answers to your questions, which I don't believe you want - only your shot will satisfy you, phone a hotline. It will require patience, but in your case it will be a good training exercise.

I further believe that half of us will not take up the offer of a free shot, so that should at least bring down your anxiety, and your wait period.

There, I bet you're feeling better already.

[checking]

Parsley, you're going to know I'm #10, but I'm glad you rebounded!

[skhadenuf]

You know what Checking you have the right to your opinion I have the right to mine, I or no one else will get through to you the point here.
I just got back from a halloween party for the kids, spoke to 2 nurses and they are just livid over how this is such a screw up. They are taking the heat for the screw up. In their own words they have gotten the vaccine while their own kids have not and according to them the spread of this disease has been under reported for quite some time as well as the death toll being much higher already than reported other causes of death are being given than the real cause to avoid the panic, I told them someone suggested that a max of 400 deaths in Alberta, they laughed asked where that came from because the estimate they recieved and told me is well I don't want to add to the fire but it's not remotely close for Saskatchewan and I'm not talking lower.
they were informed today that the total doses was reduced from 60,000 to 12,000 and most of that would be eaten up by first line people and the minister has requested some native bands be first in line, but thatwon't likely be completed at only 12,000 doses anyway. In their own words not mine the feds and provincial departments totally misjudged this and now are in complete chaos. They stated the two health departments are already blaming each other because the reality of whatis happenning is setting in, they are more worried about the political fall out coming than the problem at hand. According to them the vaccine is pretty much going to be a past thought because by the time it comes out in the numbers required most of the population will have contracted it. An estimate of .7 to .9 % on the bad side you do the math.
So checking I could care less if you get the shot or not if your that stupid not to go ahead.
As far as my stress level it's kinda following the moisture of my canola sample, off the chart for about a month. But what the hell, still got 40% to go, creditors are calling it's not even 31st of Oct and they are calling, have a week of drying to catch up, can barely walk on the fields.
Oh I don't care about the shot for me I do for my kids.
And as far as programs not working or being late have you ever heard of something called hopeless CAIS an crap insurance well that's what we've got here to deal with.
As far as hotlines go are you talking about the health hotline or the SEX hotline because calling the health hotline I tried, it just made my heart rate go higher waiting and not getting through, besides they have no idea of what to tell me and if they did it would be depressing. Maybe your right I should call the SEX hotline at least I'd get through, they'd know what to say but what about my heart rate then????
Oh yeah neighbors want to know if you or someone in your family are one of those appointed health boarders???