Help of a different kind

[skhadenuf]

Pretty much the problem with all of this is a lack of info being provided and apparently a lack of preparedness by the health system. The nurses above have their opinion, other nurses absolutely refuse to have this vaccine, if they are confused what are we the public to do? When I say I want the vaccine for my kids, I am putting trust in the health dept that what they are providing is safe and effective, however are they telling the truth? The fact that we are questioning that truth tells me something very screwed up here. this is health not farming, logging, the oil industry or anything else it is the most important aspect of our lives and it is someone's responsibility to insure we are all informed of the facts at all times and especially when we are ingulfed in a world wide potential if not already pandemic, that is not happenning here. And yes when you take that six figure income and take the cash there is responsibility that goes with it.

[silverback]

The biggest problem that I have seen here is that everybody wants the shot - now! (Was it not late winter when this first appeared?)
There is no common courtesy to let children, expecting mothers, or the sick to go first. The lineups are filled with 20 - 60 year olds with no obvious health problems and they are the ones that are the maddest at having to wait. In hindsight, the gov't and health system should have had the balls to limit first access to the HIGHEST risk populations.

On the other hand, people are scared after being told for almost a year that we are all doomed by the media and political idiots all too eager to report on a scary disease.

[skhadenuf]

Good points Silverback, If you don't mind me asking do you personally trust that the vaccine is safe and effective?

[jensend]

have to ask if you're so concerned about the safety of your kids why the heck you'd take them to a damned hallowe'en party? the other thing to keep in mind is that this is, for the vast majority of people, only a flu. on cnn last night old sanjay gupta said they're being told this might be less fatal than the seasonal flu. go figure but i don't get why the kids can't do without a silly party if mom and dad are so worried. i guess it's an excuse to vent.

[parsley]

Sk, you've hit on the dilemna we struggle with in all parts of our lives.

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On the other hand I spent quite some time over several weeks this summer, with the scientist responsible for the development of ALL vaccines for Canada. A good man.

We take our chances when we have to do so. Some people have weak lungs and are advised to take the vaccine, for example. Only YOU can decide for your family.

If we don't HAVE to take a chance,(after all we do have choices, buying a hot car for our teenager, for example,) no sense playing dead-or-alive-roulette, is there? Two days ago, our friends told us their son, doing his residency will not be taking it. Another doctor I know strongly recommends it.

Your choice. Pars

[parsley]

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/h1n1/faq_rg_h1n1-eng.php#faq6


I find it noteworthy that the H1N1 virus is contagious, even doorknobs are points of contamination, yet we have been pounded on the head with the fact that the Aids virus is not. Pars

[parsley]

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[parsley]

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[agstar77]

Best defence now is usually sanitary measures plus consumption of warm liquids to flush virus from mouth. Vitamin C as in pills or fruit or fruit juice , gargling twice a day with saline solution or listerine. It has also been suggested that nose swabbing or cleansing helps as the virus enters through the mouth and nose and multiplies there. Takes about three days to multiply out and cause a serious infection. These are all preventitive measures that do no harm. Avoid touching your face with unwashed hands. Be safe.

[silverback]

Effective? Not sure yet. If those who get the shot end up with the flu I guess not. But, if nobody tests for which flu they have, how will we ever know?

Safe? How many doses are already in peoples arms in Canada? Around the world? If it was knocking people over I am pretty sure we would be hearing about it from the Star and Globe and Mail by now. It is also using similar carriers and adjuvants as past flu vaccines, do we have an epidemic of problems from those shots?. Not in my mind we don't. In every population, some are more susceptible to some things than others so I am sure some people are going to have bad reactions. But maybe the big, bad conservatives are covering that up to stay elected.

[ry0972]

I heard today that most Canadians who have been in Canada for about 45 years or more were exposed to a close enough strain of the H1N1 to be effectively immune or at least resistant to dying from it. Also told that it is hitting people in their early teens to early 30's the hardest and they have the highest chances of dying from it. Can't find any confirmation of this or anything outright stating otherwise. Cold is moving through my family now so hopefully the kids wont be weakened by that and get H1N1 as well. LOTS of fruit
and homemade whole fruit drinks in the blender. Multi-vitamins and cod liver oil/omega 3-6-9 as well. We have been largely unaffected by flu and only minor colds for years.

[skhadenuf]

Well you know almost hilarious that you criticize me for being negative bla bla bla and taking my kids to a halloween party. Do you know the details of the party? Can't believe I have to explain this but. You attack without the facts and accuse me of just that thing. not HYpocritical?? It was a classroom party same classmates after school, something wrong with that? Funny out of all that was said your focus is on a little halloween party vs some of the issues raised, political worries???
If you think your not going to be affected good for you!!!
There all kinds of stories some true some bull, time will tell the story not you or I at this point, the latest being this, we had all this vaccine coming in a matter of days, Obama announces an emergency and blames Canada for vaccine shortage, 2 days later we're not gonna get as much.
When the smoke clears from this people will judge for themselves I could give a rats ass if it's conservative liberal or other. Maybe it won't affect us much hopefully not I simply expressed opinions of people who right at the midst of things happenning. Wonder why it's raised such a stir??? hMMMM!!!