FLAX TESTING FOR GM material

[parsley]

If the EU is paying a dollar more for food flax, and yet there is no price discovery oR pricing bonus for food flax, hmmmm...does that mean that ALL flax is distributed and sold in the EU as food flax? hmmmm.


" motor running"
It only idles on warm sunny days like today

"improves the test scores for the boys."

Depends upon the girl doesn't it?

"women were the problem."

Always. 100% agree. LOL


"So, what do I receive for my $105.00 contribution,"

*You will earn an annual price increase for testing.
* Unless the government regulatory agencies are pressed and cajoled to enforce their regulatory tools, they will close their eyes and watch this re-occur.
*Think about a really bad GM spill.Farmers will end up paying for it. You know that. So where's the clean-up plan? Insist on one. Or you'll have inspection drones inspecting inspection drones.

"and does this ever truly end"


No

Pars

[parsley]

Checking,

Is $105.00 the cost of your test? What machine? Who actually perfoms the test? Who validates the test for Canadian flax growers? Is the price the same in every province? How many samples? Is that per farm, covering all varieties of flax? Does the test have a due date?

[parsley]

Health danger:

checking I want to enlarge this for you. You know I am unreasonably persistent, as I have recently been told (We all have our faults)LOL

If importing corporations are replacing dollar-bonus food flax (which you say you don't receive) is being quietly replaced by cheaper linoleum flax, it becomes a "health issue" to the folks who perceive it is unhealthy and also don't get what they pay for.

They look at flax as a health risk, so I translated for you why the Germans think it is..why flax eaters in the the EU thinks Triffid is a health risk:

"Why the gene contributes flaxseed resistance to the antibiotic kanamycin?

Der Leinsamen trägt eine Resistenz gegen das Antibiotikum, weil bei der Entwicklung der Sorte auf diesem Wege erkannt werden konnte, ob die Gen-Transplantation erfolgreich war (Marker-Gen).

The flax seed carries a resistance to the antibiotic, as it could be recognized in the development of the variety in this way, whether the gene transplantation is successful (marker) gene.

Das birgt jedoch die Gefahr, dass sich die Resistenz gegen das Antibiotikum in der Umwelt verbreitet und die Substanz dann für die Medizin wirkungslos wird.

However, this poses a risk of spreading the resistance to the antibiotic in the environment and the substance of the medicine will be ineffective.

Bei neueren Entwicklungen verzichten die Forscher generell auf Antibiotika als Marker-Gene.

In more recent developments give the researchers generally on antibiotics as marker genes.

i actually think it is important for Western farmers to understand why consumers in other countries and domestically as well, believe what they believe. Okay, knock me down with a stick. pars

[charliep]

For what it is worth, the European Food Safety Authority has actually approved using the genetic marker NPTII this summer. If flaxseed containing this marker were brought forward today, it wouldn't be rejected for using the marker (or at least on the science side).

<a href="http://www.efsa.europa.eu/cs/BlobServer/Statm_of_Efsa/gmo_biohaz_st_ej1108_ConsolidatedARG_summary_en.pd f?ssbinary=true">efsa ruling nptII</a>

[parsley]

I watched my words, charliep

"flax eaters in the the EU"

[parsley]

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&lt;p class=&quot;EC_style8ptBK&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;[URL="http://www.p2pays.org/ref/14/13919.pdf"](Oh,oh, oh, charliep, you mean the kind of stuff my fingers used to play with as a kid, but is now legislated non-acceptably safe?)[/URL]&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[charliep]

Actually remember back in my school putting mercury on a table and giving it a flick with a finger nail.

Yes knowledge does change. Perhaps the biggest challenge in any of these discussions is risk assessment - likelihood of something bad happening and severity of the consequences. Perhaps that will be one of the biggest opportunities for learning coming out of the H1N1 post mortem on the responses.

Still putting flax in my hot cereal every morning and enjoying it.

[checking]

I was thinking more along the lines of brewing a batch of organic ethanol to see if a certain motor would sputter!

I had a friend who instead of chewing on toothpicks, sucked on lead pellets. The rich kids polished their dimes and quarters with mercury. I couldn't afford lead, and silver was out of the question, so there were advantages to being pennilessness. Alas!, poor me.

Yes, the test cost will rise, much like the $16.00 dose of hinny that's now $30.00 which will be a lowball number come spring. That's a given. And no, it will never end which leads me to conclude that any elevator company that wants my flax business will have to foot the bill for the test. Viterra is already warning through e-mail that a representative 1 kilogram sample must be submitted. Address information provided through saskflax.com

[bucket]

So a few jerk offs continue to grow an unregistered flax ( lets call them the minority) and the rest of the flax producers grow registered varieties ( lets call them the majority) have to pay to fix this mess.

Where have I heard this story before. I am beginning to think all farmers are retarded. Why not just do the foresenic trail and quickly weed out the people responsible.

[Hopperbin]

OH ya jail time, big fine, and loss of right to produce grain for sale. Nothing less. Or we could stone them. Obviously the guilty have no thinking for the consequences so we should show them some.

[parsley]

http://parsleysnotebook.blogspot.com/2009/09/following-genetic-trail-of-triffid-gmo.html



http://www.mnpdebt.ca/media/uploads/documents/Notice%20of%20Intention%20to%20File%20a%20Proposal _FarmPure.pdf

[bucket]

the other unfortunate part is there is absolutely no benefit to growing the gm flax. I understand (could be wrong) that the gm flax would be resistant to some chemical like glean. That would screw your rotations for a while. Add the fact that currrent chemicals used on conventional flax are getting cheaper its hardly worth the hassle to continue growing triffid if you had it.

For the past few years grainco have been asking what type of cereals and pulses we grow. It has turned out well because you get a quicker rating on variety performance. For instance a couple years ago certain varieties of yellow peas had bad green lock in. Can't remember the variety but heard quickly that it was a problem and the variety name was not heard of the next year.

Then you hear quickly of the better performance of stronfield durum over kyle and the switch is made. Having said that the cwb did have a program to eliminate pelliser durum and it had been de registered.

This whole triffid mess is by a few buffoons who don't have any scruples and are morally retarded.

Which begs the questions - why do I have to pay to clean the mess up?

[ianben]

Pro farmer mentioned BSE and this in my opinion is just another knock on effect.

BSE was really unfortunate/unlucky in the way it was handled here in UK.

Lots of assurances for many years on how beef was safe, then the link to humans was discovered, and the disaster senario on how many would be infected invented and perhaps exaggerated.

Public was/is still worried and sceptical on food safety and see reason to take unecessary risk.

GM launched during this time and labeled frankensien food by the media, a tag it seems unable to shake off.

In my veiw BSE and GM carry similar risks.
In that a health risk could be found, which scientists looking for funding for their next project, media trying to fill 24hour news programs and politicians protecting thier jobs hype into a scare which only time can proove.

If a BSE type GM link is even whispered I dont think the cost of the test will be the issue.

[Hopperbin]

Great work Parsley. We all have neighbours listed as creditors. Did they all grow the flax? Shouldn't you be head of the investigation team?

[parsley]

I first posted this on September 11, 2009, and nobody acted on it:

<p></p>
<p class="EC_style8ptBK"><strong><a href=" http://parsleysnotebook.blogspot.com/2009/09/following-genetic-trail-of-triffid-gmo.html ">(Look at the date on Parsley's Notebook I posted this but did anyone do anything about it?)</a></strong></p>

On September 13, 2009, I additionally posted a whole bunch of supplemental links in the comment section, including this one:

<p></p>
<p class="EC_style8ptBK"><strong><a href=" http://www.mnpdebt.ca/media/uploads/documents/Notice%20of%20Intention%20to%20File%20a%20Proposal _FarmPure.pdf ">(I posted this Parsley's Notebook webpage )</a></strong></p>

There was no action taken, except to proclaim, two months later, that the CGC have identified the source of Triffid and the location, but they aren't telling.

So YOU my friend, can contaminate your grain by way of your local Triffid grower's farm, who is now mute and deaf.

That is exactly why the regulatory system is $^#%ed. Pars