Would you opt out of the CWB if it became a co-op?

[DogPatch]

We had 4 (atleast) Grain co-ops in the recent history of the Canadian Prairies and what have we now? Nothing that even resembles what I would call a co-op.

[cchurch]

Ocean Spray and Sunkist have their own brand and distribution system.

How can you compare them to the CWB?

This CWB (co-op) would have the brand name, but no means of distribution.

Imagine if Ocean Spray or Sunkist relied on their competition to distribute their products.

I can't see that happening.

[chaffmeister]

cchurch:

SunKist and Ocean Spray were brought up ONLY to demonstrate that successful pooling or cooperation between producers DOES NOT NEED TO BE MANDATORY.

Period.


BTW - the argument that a voluntary CWB wouldn't work because it would rely on its "competition" to handle its grain is getting very old. We're way past that.

[chaffmeister]

dml:

Good point about production vs sales. I was thinking about a crop year basis on commodities where you don’t have perfect control of production.


You and will always sit on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to brand value of the CWB name. Ken Ritter should be careful what he asks for. A payout from the government if the CWB is shut down would require a complete – repeat, complete – audit of the CWB’s marketing activity in order to determine its “value”.

[AdamSmith]

My answer to this question is, I would be first in line to opt out. But that is based on the assumption that the voluntary cwb would be the exact same cwb that exists today and if that were the case there is no way in hell I'd even voluntarily let them inspect a sample bag of my wheat.

By the way I've opted out already. For the last three years I've been growing only un-registered American wheat, buying it back and shipping it to Conagra's flour mills in(south of) Minniapolis.

Yes I have to deal with the cwb on the buy-back but so long as I'm prepared to pay the piper, they can't refuse me my licence.

I shipped over 17000 bushel in 2008(2007 crop) by truck for a final recieved (back to the yard)price of close to $15 per bushel.

I feb/mar of 2009 I shipped over 40000 bushels down there for an avg. (back to the yard) price of a little over $7 per bushel.

This year close to 100000 bu of this same wheat is sitting in my bins with the intent on shipping it all down to Minny as well.

Selling wheat on the open market is profitable (even after the buyback)and is not Rocket Science.

It just won't work nearly as well if you grow registered Canadian varieties.

By the way the yeild advange alone is worth it. At least 10 bushels maybe even more than 20 on a couple of fields.

My 100 acre wreck even went 57 bpa.

My top 2 quarters avg. over 80.

This was from bin-run (not even cleaned) seed with no tilt or folicur sprayed in crop.

Talk about blowing every assumption about growing and selling wheat out the window.

Get rid of the board, get rid of our stupid varietal registration system and wheat will become a serious cash crop for western Canadian farmers again.

Just be prepared to build more bins and pay more income tax.

[Burbert]

Yeah, fruit co-ops are a real great thing, fruit growers, are getting screwed, BIG TIME, just like grain growers. You should talk to a few of them here in Kanada. Not just the Big Wheels in the US of A, cause really they are just hustlers, they'll tell you anything, probably not the truth either. Yup the grass is always greener on the other side of the hill. What about milk producers, DO THEY make any coin, I wonder? After all they are the ultimate open market types (NOT). Bought any cheese lately, or a jug of moo, cheap isn't it!!!

[cchurch]

It's funny how Burbert has more intelligence than 97.99% of people on this site and he lives in a cave.

That's embarrassing for you guys.

[Fransisco]

Wow, what a clever comeback cchurch!

I am simply in awe of your witty repartee. I mean 97.99%. You could have chosen 99.99% or 96.47% but <b>97.99%</b> that's like just pure genius.

Then the way you worked the 'cave' thing in there, again, maybe one in a million could have thought that one up.

And to finish with the 'embarrassing' line. Brilliant, just brilliant! Oh, my sides are splitting, no more, no more, please no more. I can't take any more.

[chaffmeister]

cchurch:

Why is it embarrassing for us that you think Burbert is intelligent?

[parsley]

dml,

I will presume that your updated version of a CWB Co-op soley incorporates regional marketing BUT no longer includes any CWB national licensing function of export grain.
Parsley

[Burbert]

Sorry to burst your bubble boys/girls. Burbert is actually a mean, old farmer, that gets more and more p.o.d. each and every time a new/better innovation in farming comes along that benefits angribusiness and off loads more, and more expense onto their backsides. With any luck, he'll soon disappear and more and more of you detractors kin scream for freedom from the CWB, and lay down for your grain company railway pals!

[Fransisco]

Let me guess, you still seed with discers right? And empty your bins with a shovel.

Lousy stinking greedy machinery companies aren't going to be getting any of your money for a new fangled piece of junk air seeder or grain vac. It's all just a corporate conspiracy to make you poorer.

[chaffmeister]

I'm always intrigued by Single Desk supporters. If you don't mind me asking, Burbert -- what is it about the CWB that you like?

And why?



Not to argue - just want to listen.

[checking]

Chaffmeister, you will never receive that answer.

However, I sense a willingness from the cc. of Burbert. Otherwise he would have stated 97.992.

[chaffmeister]

I don't know what that means.