Still plenty of unharvested crop in some areas

[ianben]

Btw, ianben, I got an H1N1 last week.

I have not had H1N1 as I dont think it is necessary. I think I am more likely to catch something nasty in the doctors waiting room than perhaps not catch a mild flu.

[parsley]

And ianben

Organic is simply a way of growing and distributing food. It does not attempt to change nature. Or tamper with genes. Organics tracks nature's food, developed by nature, to the consumer.

Nature is cruel. Survival of the fittest. If you eat foxglove, your heart will beat so fast you will die. Nature made it that way.

Saying organic is untested is amusing. Nature itself isn't tested. Nature is designed to get along in the scheme of things. Maybe some humans fit in like socks on a rooster do, because normal people simply don't eat a cup of ergot, although I wouldn't be surprised if charliep invited me for a cup of foxglove tea. lol Pars

[ianben]

Link to uk human BSE cases
http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/cjdq60.pdf

I am not trying to say any deaths are OK but this is not the tens to hundreds of thousands talked of in 1996
and we are probably 20yrs on now from when UK population was at maximum exposure.

It is all about perceived risk and obviously you and I see risk differently but how do you calculate a risk you are prepared to take?

[ianben]

Nature is cruel. Survival of the fittest. If you eat foxglove, your heart will beat so fast you will die. Nature made it that way

You believe this but you took the N1H1 because?

[charliep]

I always appreciate foodnavigator and its information. Found the following on potatoes.

An interesting article on potatoes highlighting the grey areas of non traditional plant breeding.

[URL="http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Science-Nutrition/Partnership-promises-high-quality-non-GM-potatoes"]potatoes[/URL]

also note following article from a few weeks back on women and flaxoil. Am going to make the comment (knowing coming from a man) the benefits of flax oil out weigh the risks of triffid.

<a href=" http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Flaxseed-oil-cuts-osteoporosis-risk-in-diabetic-older-women-study">flax oil benefits</a>

[parsley]

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[sjc]

Interesting topic. Personally I have used RR canola a few years after it was introduced and have been quite happy with the results. I am confused why the neighbours feel the need to spray twice, as I have only had to spray twice once on a particluarly dirty field which shoudl have never been seeded to canola in the first place. My land is clean enough I could more then likely not use the RR system and still have low dockage but it is the easiest system and were all the money is being spent in research. My local Co-op does not even offer a conventional canola variety anymore...

That being said the comments about the University of Guelph and them finding some micro organisms with GMO in their DNA troubles me. Does anyone have a link to this article? I would like to read up on this for curiousity sake and something to do on these cold winter days. I searched but have come up empty. Thanks.

[bduke]

Kodiak.... you stated in your second post on this
thread that you had a "feeling passion and
philosophy is going to make this an intense
discussion".

IMHO... passion and philosophy are indicators of
engagement, and catching up on the last two days
posts is very enjoyable.

Indeed.... much more enjoyable than loading barley
B-trains in -33C Monday morning!

BTW.... Our contract stated this barley would be
moved no later than Nov. 21, 2009.

Technicalities were of little value on this deal.

However.... technicalities did keep O J Simpson out
of jail for murder.... but his ex's relatives did win a
civil suit... which apparently broke him... based
upon practical evidence and principles!... LOL

Cottonpicken's lawyer comments are me haunting
again!

scj.... I commented about the micro organisms and
the RR gene.

I picked up the link on Parsley's Notebook....

www.agronomy-journal.org

It is a Research Article in Agronomy for
Sustainabilite Development.

The scientists at the University of Guelph are:

Miranda M. Hart... Jeff R. Powell.. Robert H. Gulden..
David J Levy-Booth.. Kari E. Dunfield.. K Peter
Pauls.. Clarence J. Swanton.. John N Klironomos and
Jack T Trevors.

You can click on the link to" Round Up Ready Corn"
in the GMO Corn: Horizontal Gene Transfer etc.
post.

Stay warm everyone.... Bill

[charliep]

Here is the link to the article.

[URL="http://www.agronomy-journal.org/content/view/248/42/lang,en/"]gene transfer[/URL]

[Choice2U]

The question still has not been answered about how would we be feeding the majority of the 6B people today without the advancements of the past 20 years through pesticides and GM science. Even though there still is high starvation rates, a billion more people are eating today than 25 years ago. Parsley, your concerns are about potential FUTURE deaths from these technologies. My concerns are about the 1B people that would have starved over the past 25 years had we not had these production gains. You don't have to feed the world but society as a whole has a responsibility to try.