Flax - again!

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This kind of makes you wonder what kind of intelligence it takes to be on a board doesn't it?

Further, this shaney fellow reminds me of vader, make statements like he knows more than the rest of us, then never tells anyone the details.

To even make a statement about spoonful seed size bags and its impact on seed is moronic at best. He should be talking about the fact that triffid seed has shown up in the ukraine and russia and how it got there. Maybe a little more insight as to this audit trail that charliep defended would be helpful as well.

I have no use for people that tell me I must use certified seed, but can't admit they are part of the problem and not the solution.

[charliep]

Perhaps my point is that seed growers produce certified product with requirements around varietal purity, weed seed count, etc. That is is for all crops - not just flax. What makes this different is that it is genetic event (not able to see) and extremely tight tolerances - likely tighter that anything you would even find on certified seed for other issues (could be wrong).

It is also your buyer that is requesting this. Grain companies would likely deal with the marketing risk (having a cargo rejected at port in Europe) this product with seed from a limited number of seed growers than a large of growers using seed from many different sources. If you assume 1.2 to 1.5 mln acres of flax next year and an average farm acreage of 300 acres, you have potentially 4,000 to 5,000 seed sources.

Perhaps the solution to the above is an declaration at delivery similar to what happens today for wheat (varietal declaration) indicating you have tested your seed and it does not have triffid in it. An alternative.

[cottonpicken]

And perhaps my point is that some shit head took
money out of my pocket,charlie.

Get on the right side of the trade before you are
crucified.

GOT MILK/IT?

[oneoff]

Charliep just said "What makes this different is that it is genetic event (not able to see) and extremely tight tolerances - likely tighter that anything you would even find on certified seed for other issues (could be wrong). " and he also said
"Perhaps the solution to the above is an declaration at delivery similar to what happens today for wheat (varietal declaration) indicating you have tested your seed and it does not have triffid in it."

No charlie, no, no, no, no, a thousand no's; what part of no don't you understand is wrong about that suggestion charliep. Triifid isn't the last of the genetic events. Of that I am certain. There had better not be a roundup ready wheat incident yet; we haven't even started growing it yet as commercial farmers (have we?). Just insert wheat in place of Triffid in your possible alternative; and we have a fix for any roundup ready wheat problem. Why should commercial farmers sign contracts and affidavits making themselves financially responsible for any possible genetic events. Of course it will quickly show up in millions of tonnes of export wheat in small; but large enough quantities that you and others will then insist that the solution in certified seed each and every year.

I've made several posts lately; using language and examples that anyone capable of reading should be able to follow. Did I not make it clear enough that given a sensitive enough test you will find a little bit of everything in anything; and once found in the general environment it is virtually impossible to totally clean it up. Tell me I am wrong charliep.
Well the genie isn't yet out of the bag (as far as I know) for roundup wheat (or the many other crops). If it is then the stupid stupid stupid responsible people will do it again and again until there are GMO traits in at least small concentrations in every crop known to man.
The solution is to not repeat mistakes when you know what the outcome is going to be. As regulators and seed growers, if for instance you allow roundup wheat to be grown by commercial farmers then you are deliberately repeating the Triffid mistake. That isn't acceptable because they have already proven they have no intention of being financially responsible for damages caused by the release; they have a plan to make ordinary farmers paying for testing and certifation of its genetic purity no matter how that may be compromised..
Its a fact that there is no way to stop anyone from doing whatever they wish in this world. For most incidents that society has decided are not in the best interests of the population as a whole there are various consequences and punishments.
Obviously for the crime of genetically polluting the seed supplies of the world there are not serious enough consequences; or as it looks to me; anyone (except commercial farmers); or any researcher; or company or seed grower can spread it with impunity.