Farming and Climate Change

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mustardman: "Thankyou all for proving my Point. That the Denial industry has had a successful run of convincing you that You are not responsible."

Perhaps you would take the time to explain the point about the climate of Mars changing at the same pace as Earth's climate?

Are our CO2 emissions reaching that far? Are we responsible for that documented change as well?

Or could it be that sunspot activity has a little more to do with this natural phenomenon than Saint Algore wants to admit?

You might have had a teacher in school that was very passionate about preaching his/her doctrine of AGW, but passion does not equate with truth or accuracy.

The brain-washed students who endured several decades of misguided, nihilistic class room "climate diatribes" are now starting to insert their warped views into policy.

Policy that has a detrimental effect on all of us, whether or not we buy into their crap.

So people like Don McCabe are trying to have a positive influence on a negative course. I know Don is dedicated and thoughtful, and I wish him luck.

[Jay-mo]

To many such as Mustard, man-caused climate change is more of a dogma then it is a belief based upon reality and truth.
The truth is, man seems to have a sick need for impending doom. Whether it be global warming, an ice age, the Soviets are going to nuke us or the next flu "epidemic" that just never materializes.

[dave4441]

The biggest mistake the climatology experts (pardon the pun) made was when they tried to disallow anyone to refute the science. Once that occured the gig was up. Scientific results should always be debated and they tried to snuff it out.

Sorry Mustardman, we had this conversation a year ago and in that time the pendulum has really swung against you. The yuppies will be on to their next global save the world issue, only problem is that it looks like it may be GMO. THat debate will be easier won over the long term. Could you imagine if they world focused the money that it spends on this crap, for the next 2 months and spent it in Haiti instead. Or Guatemala or Africa. On Cancer research, AIDS, Parkinsons, diabetes. Those are things that i could not argue about, but unsound science that cannot be questioned or you are called a denier. Give me a god damn break. I am guessing, while our attention is focused on the so called problem, someone will be making off with the goose that lay the golden egg.

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Some people making off with the goose that laid the golden egg are:

1. algore
2. suzuki
3. cgreen and all the other carbon aggregators

You can add to the list. Interesting note and I know its been mentioned before - the term is not "global warming" anymore - its "climate change".

[mustardman]

It was NO COINCIDENCE that just before the Copenhagen summit that a press release came out on "leaked emails from the past 10 years from scientists" to put more doubt into the climate change theory.

These were bits and pieces taken out of context and HUGE money has been put forward by companies (that shall not be named) to discredit this exercise, Because it is in their best interest that we keep the STATUS QUO.

They throw out tidbits in the press on mars and sunspots to offset the sound science and get the likes of Tim Ball to spread the sermon and consequently no workable Policy gets setup.
We act and spend a small part of GDP to fix it or don't and the consequences will cost all our GDP

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So science that shows centuries worth of sunspot activity and related climate change on Earth and Mars isn't sound?!?

Gee, how do you go about picking who you want to believe? Have you been thinking about your next Johnny-come-lately when algore dies?

[dave4441]

The only sound science is that that can be manipulated/analysed to support global warming.

Mustardman-are you willing to compare credentials of Tim Ball with David Phillips???? Are you an aggregator yourself??

[fjlip]

Looking at 50 year old pics at a birthday party, saw little snow in Feb and monster drifts the next year. Climate definitely changes, foggy and minus 5 today, sunny and cold tomorrow! I agree man seems to sadistically crave impending doom. Unfortunately most people pay and a few get wealthy. Thousands of facts here ... http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/_global_warming_a_debate_at_last.html

[rodb]

Mustadman Pick up the book "Heaven and Earth" by Ian Plimer from the University of Adelaide. Have a read and look at all the studies that he sights. Then come back and see if you believe David Suzuki and Al Gore. There is another book out there that was written by a director of Suzuki's Foundation. He is a lawyer and the head of a PR firm and he is pointing fingers at the scientific community who disagree(in your words "Deniers").