Real CWB lovers dont hold grain over

[Fransisco]

As I said before without property rights no other rights are possible. You seem to think otherwise. Again, please explain.

[Fransisco]

Or perhaps is it that you believe that the difference between right and wrong is only a difference of degree. That it's okay to steal as long as it's not too much.

[wilagro]

Fransisco...many moons ago the farmers of western Canada petitioned their respective provincial governments to intervene on their behalf to have the federal government to take over marketing of some of their grain through the CWB. In doing so they had to give up their so-called property rights on those designated grains in order for the system to work.

If you want to change that NOW, then reverse the procedure and if the farmers want to abandon the CWB, then it will happen. Let ALL of the producers in the designated area vote whether they currently produce the designated grains or not. Don't cook the voters lists and flood the west with propaganda...I'm sure that I would agree with and abide with the decision. I think that the vote would need a 70% approval rate to be considered fair.

[Fransisco]

Sorry willy, but your grandpa didn't vote away my rights. They are inalienable.

[Fransisco]

Make the thing voluntary and let farmers vote with their trucks. That's the only vote that matters.

[Fransisco]

When you say "so-called" property rights does that mean you don't believe in property rights? If so, why not?

[Fransisco]

You know willagro not only did your grandpa not vote away my property rights because they are inalienable. He didn't get a vote on it period.

From the CWB website...

"During the First World War the federal government was eventually forced by wartime conditions to become directly involved in grain marketing by establishing a body called the "Board of Grain Supervisors " (BGS) for the 1917-18 and 1918-19 crop years. Wheat futures trading in Winnipeg was suspended in 1917 and the BGS assumed complete control over the purchase, sale and pricing of wheat for export.

After the war the federal government replaced the BGS with the first Canadian Wheat Board (CWB) to market the 1919 wheat crop. "

" The CWB of 1919-20, like the BGS before it, was seen as an extraordinary measure by both the federal government and its political supporters in the Canadian grain trade, one that it was felt could not be justified as a permanent marketing arrangement under peacetime conditions, so it was disbanded in 1920 after one year's operation. "

"From 1930 onward, the federal government had to step in and provide the bankers of the Wheat Pools with a federal guarantee on their loans to the Wheat Pools, and had to guarantee the Pools' initial payments to farmers. In this situation, it decided to put its own representative in place as the general manager of the Central Selling Agency. In the early 1930s the federal government still hoped that its involvement in grain marketing would be temporary and that it would be able to extricate itself from this in time and return all grain marketing activities to the private sector. When it became clear by 1935, however, that its involvement was going to be longer-term than originally envisaged, it decided to formalize that involvement and enact the Canadian Wheat Board Act, which was signed into law on July 5, 1935. "

"Then, during World War II, the CWB was empowered to market all Canadian grains, including oilseeds and Ontario corn. Wheat futures trading was suspended in 1943 in the conditions of wartime and deliveries to the CWB became compulsory.

In 1949, Parliament amended the Canadian Wheat Board Act to extend the CWB's marketing responsibility to encompass oats and barley, but retained a clause that required the Act's renewal by Parliament every five years. In 1966, this clause was removed and the Canadian Wheat Board Act."

[seabass]

Well put Francisco. Let me vote with my truck.

[mcfarms]

Not wanting to get in the middle of this but , the root of the problem is the lack of property rights Fransisco and you have none in Canada so I don't know which inalienable ones youre referring too. Your dead right if we DID have property rights none of this discussion would take place. However as we do not have property rights the gov't can do what it pleases to you which includes taking your grain ,your land, and even your home if some paper pusher decides it is is the best interests of the crown. Simple as that.
You want things to change start with that.

[cropduster]

Sorry to leave you out there Franny !!!!Seems the lefties can`t get the thought of socialism for the socialists and freedom for the rest!!!!!!! Oh, sorry your Grandparents missed the train Aggie!!!!!! Now those same weeds are growing here!!!!!!!!