Real CWB lovers dont hold grain over

[wmoebis]

Since my user name was on origanal post and this conversation has gone from commodity marketing to racial slur, I think I will clear up what I was saying.

I do not know DePutter, this was the first time I had heard any of his statements. I still don't know if he supports single desk marketing or not, nor do I care. I didn't agree with his advise on how, we as farmers should blow out our grain at any price. Nor do I understand what interest he has in my or your crop or what price we should get for it.

Does he feel we should do the same with all our production cattle, hogs, peas etc. If so, is this the kind of advise the markets are listening to? Keeping the value of all farm commodities at depressed prices.

I can tell by comments on here, that there are producers out there that would sell thier crops at any price and fallow his advise. That is your choise and it is my choise to hold grain for a better price.

It does concern me of the fact that some people want out of the single desk marketing and openly agree that we should be dumping our grain to make way for new production. That is your choise. But, How is this going to help future prices?

We have an over supply in the world so we will fill every bin in the world with cheap grain, then grow more. Then ask what for it? Sorry higher markets are going to be there.

We do have a choice to sell or not, at these prices. We also have a chance to give the world signals that we demand more for our products, by holding and staying off the markets we give that signal.

I don't think these advisors are working in my best interest when they give signals like this and God forbid if anyone listens to them, again. It reminds me of advisors giving advise to "kill the crow". That worked out just DUCKY didn't it.

CWB or no CWB, my advise is, don't give away production at just any price, this will not improve future prices and signal that we as farmers need more for our production or we can't produce.

By the way I ride a tractor, pick rocks, shovel grain, produce ag commodities for sale. Just like every other farmer. Justify our existance not DePutter's and PLEASE leave the racial slur out of Agriculture.

[checking]

Oh, mustard contracts! That brings back fond memories, CP. I love a crop where dockage determines grade; where an independent buyer claims that the mere sending of a 2kg sample to them to establish a grade represents a binding contract, as that sample is the first delivery part of a specific tonne commitment; doesn't matter about your terms; or that you never signed their papers. I want your mustard, or else. Does that beat your fubar, cotton?

It was the reason that we happily moved production to flax. Now, the fubar is coming from the industry leaders that said they would protect us from Triffid. Meanwhile, my crop options are shrinking.

[Ron]

Well wmoebis that was a well thought out articulate response. Still dont agree with you stealing from my (forced)participation in the 2010 or 2011 pool though.
Its amazing how something as simple as being forced to sell our production through the CWB (I am not going to get into their competancy here) brings out anger in people. Kind of like being mugged, again and again.
Anyways before I digress into ranting again, thanks for your response and this thread was entertaining for the weekend.
SCREW THE CWB

[Raven]

I just tuned in on this interesting thread. Note that Fransisco posted the CWB history from the CWB website and between the last two paragraphs is the purposely missing key to the CWB situation - the 1947 amendments to the 1935 CWB Act.

It was in these 1947 Amendments when the so-called "monopoly teeth" were inserted into the Act as Part IV.
They were originally intended to function as a import/export tax, (payable to the government) so that the government could set the domestic price in Canada. The CWB now has farmers believing that it is monopoly legislation, however beyond that, even if it did authorize confiscation of farmers' grain and therefore a property rights issue, the fact is that only government (through Parliament) can take away property rights, and only if they clearly state they are taking property and not going to pay (fairly) for it. That's what the courts consistently say.

Prairie farmers, even if a majority of 99%, do not have the right to take anyone's property. Wrangling with collectivists like agstar77, jagfarms, wilagro, wmoebis, etc is not only futile but a waste of time. The Conservatives are the government and they are in charge.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

HISTORY LESSON:

Dateline 1974; ALberta government removes CWB legislation form Prov. Gov. statutes... opening up the domestic feed grain market in Canada.

Agstar: Put yourself in your neighbours shoes for one second...

$500,000.00 lost because CWB refuses to issue no cost wheat or durum export licenses... in late Feb 2008.

How frustrated and annoyed do you think those farm families feel...

BEcause arrogant greedy left winger monopoly supporters refuse to allow the ownership benefit to those who worked hard to have the right grain... at the right time... and should have been able to pay all farm loans off in 2008-09... plus the tax payable on top.

To say some are offended...

SOME have very strong angry feelings towards your monopoly


... WE bite our tongues almost every time you post... sometimes it just gets the better of us...slips out... how evil, unfruitful, and undeserved we believe this deceptive condescending.... CWB.... system is.

We all will die. What do you want your legacy to be... on the other side... AGSTAR77????

[Fransisco]

mcfarms you are right that property rights are not enshrined in our constitution or in our charter of rights and freedoms. I believe there are some property rights elements in our common law but would have to double check that one to be certain.

However the question you have to ask is what is the source of our rights? Is it government? Or government law? The answer is no. While it's true that the proper role of government is to protect our rights it does not create them.

Inalienable means -incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred. Property rights are inalienable, as is the right to life, and these rights don't disappear when a government decides to violate them.

Genocide doesn't suddenly become okay because it is some governments policy and likewise it is not okay to take someones grain away from them because of the wheat board act.

[Fransisco]

BTW- I'm still waiting for someone to argue against my earlier statement that "One's life and one's property are not mutually exclusive or separate, they are linked and vitally important to each other."

[Fransisco]

wmoebis said, "CWB or no CWB, my advise is, don't give away production at just any price"

The CWB does exactly that time, after time, after time, and you have no choice about that.

[TOM4CWB]

Fransisco,

Cultural norms are interesting historical perspective.

When it comes to the ten commandments... Coveting the neighbours wife, livestock... or property is no different a 'sin' than murder. Equal weight... and equal consequences in the creators economy.

Guilty of breaking the law ... is guilty.

Sexually lusting... is as wrong... in breaking the relationship with the creator of our civilisation... as the act of adultery.

Hence coveting your neighbours grain... is as bad as coveting their livestock... or any person in their family for whatever reason!

Off the wall Agstar77...

think about it.

It is these values that are the true base of the civilized world... and the only reason we have advanced without discrimination and greed totally ripping apart our society!

IT IS NOT SURVIVAL of the Fittest... Instead respect for all of creation makes us different from animals!

[Fransisco]

I'd be fine with it as long as they stuck to the coveting. You can covet my grain as much as you want, just don't touch it.